Remington 700 ADL

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younggenious

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I plan on getting a Remington 700 ADL chambered in 30-06 in the near future. I think I am going to put a Luepold Vari-X III 3.5-10X50 scope on it. Do you think this is a good setup for hunting out to 400 yds? What type of accuracy is this specific rifle known for?

Another question:
What exactly makes a sniper rifle sniper-grade? How close is above rifle to Sniper grade? I read from a few people that the Remington 700 Police Sniper rifle (PSS)? wasn't much different than the Rem. 700 Varmint rifle. What are the differences in these?
 
You would have a nice set up----but 400 yds would be stretching it a bit-----go measure 400 yds and ask yourself if you can hit a deer sized target----let alone see it clearly to make sure its actually a deer or not. Then you have to take into account for wind drift and drop---Easier said than done. Also go look at a .30-06 ballistic table and see what the drop is at 400 yds.

Everybody says to use binoculars---but when you're out actually humping all you gear around--the binoc's are usually the first thing left back at the truck or camp.


I'm not saying it can't be done----but you would be better off limiting your shots to 300 yds or less----and a wounded deer would have been better off with a clean killing shot---instead of one you tried to stretch.
 
I know 400 is stretching it. That is why I said "Out to 400 yds" and not something else. I just want to have a rifle that can possibly hit the target at 400 yards. I only plan on using it out to 200 or so. I have examined what 400 yds looks like. About an hour ago I also got done looking at 30.06 ballistics. But the question is remaining: What make a sniper rifle sniper-grade?
 
Used to be, a "sniper-grade" rifle (that's modern terminology :) ) was most any rifle that was put together with a little extra care and was noticeably more accurate than the average. This improvement in accuracy or group size, whatever, meant that people could be shot at longer distances by a sniper.

Technology has improved with age. Whether or not the advertising hype of today is an improvement is up to the viewer. Also, I have a personal gripe about folks who talk "sniper" without differentiating between a military mission and a police assignment. (You asked the time, and I'm bitching about building a watch...)

In my opinionated opinion, catalogs trying to persuade folks to buy "tactical" stuff and "sniper" stuff are merely trying to cash in on the old adage that nobody ever went broke underestimating the foolishness of the buying public.

Since most of today's hunting rifles average around one MOA, I'll stay with my first definition.

Your idea of a rig ain't no bad idea, but I note that I've had zero difficulty in hitting deer at 350 and 450 yards (granted, not all that many patient volunteers) with a Vari-X II 3X9X40. Lower sight line; a little less weight.

FWIW, Art
 
Weaver Grand Slam

Have you considered one of the new Grand Slam variable scopes? I just bought one for a Ruger 77 VT. The optics are top notch. Compares favorably to Leopold III's at less cost. The optics are clear edge to edge and with 1" tubes, they are light, waterproof, fully multicoated. They are adjustable for parallax and focus. They (reportedly) repeatedly come back to zero when adjusting for distance/bullet drop. Unless you are going to be shooting in very low light, I don't think that you want to carry around the 50mm scopes, but they are available in 50mm, standard crosshair and 1/8 MOA dot.

Here is an example:

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=02029800475
 
Sorry Dave3006, This is a purchase planned for next year because I have to save up for it. But just out of curiosity, what type of scope does it have. The same Leupold I mentioned?

GaryH: I also considered getting the Grand Slam. The testing I saw done (I think Guns n Ammo) was great. They froze the scope with liuquid nitrogen and then dropped it into boiling water. The scope held up with no noticable damage and worked fine afterward when shooting it.
I DO want the lens to be larger than 40mm. I do plan on using it in low light conditions. I either want a 44mm or 50mm. Leupold doen't carry 44mm so I decided to go with the 50mm. Also the Grand Slam listed is something I wouldn't really want. The one listed, haven't seen any others, have the lowest magnification of 4.5. I would rather have mine at 3 or 3.5 max. Also the highest magnification is 14. I have no need for 14 and do believe it is too much. 3-9 or 3.5-10 sounds great to me so that is what I plan on getting. Are there other Grand Slam scopes with different diameter lenses and powers. If so, and you have links, I would be interested.
Thanks,
YG
 
These are the different variations:
Model Description
800469 6-20x40 AO-DPLV $500*
800470 6-20x40 AO FC $500*
800471 1.5-5x32 $430*
800472 4.75x40 $360*
800473 3-10x40 $380*
800474 3.5-10x30 $460*
800475 4.5-14x40 $500*

None really fit my expectations. Thanks for the help anyways.



ANOTHER question. How well do Leupold scopes resist fog and water on the lenses?
 
Art Eatman: According to your definition of a sniper rifle, that means a Rem. M700 with a Leupold Vari-X III 3.5-10X50 is a sniper rifle right? (Presumptuous) Woohoo! I gotta sniper rifle! Actaully going to get one.
 
Here is the 50 listed. It is the same stock number as the one you listed(the 3.5-30). They are from different pages. I suspect that the 30 is a website typo.

From their website: Go to Top of first page and choose "Optics" and then choose "Grand Slam" on the upper left of the next page.

6-20x40 AO-DPLV $500*
800470 6-20x40 AO FC $500*
800471 1.5-5x32 $430*
800472 4.75x40 $360*
800473 3-10x40 $380*
800474 3.5-10x50 $460*
800475 4.5-14x40 $500*

Of course, street prices are much lower. You might also check out Nikons new Titanium series. I've heard good things. Titanium is a really inert material and Nikon knows optics.

Titanium Scope 3.3-10x44 AO
 
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I looked over the Nikon Titanium scopes at the store---I was not impressed----especially when it said "Made in Philipinnes"(sp?)---for the money they wanted for it---you can get a good Leupold or Kahles and have a much better scope in my opinion.
 
YG, probably the most popular "sniper rifle" out there--in the armories of a bunch of police departments--is a Remington 700 with a Leupold 3.5-10X scope. Only real difference is that most of them are in .308 caliber, and the scopes have 40mm objectives. The Marine M40A1 and the Army M24 are built on Remington 700 actions. Different stocks, yes, but the same basic action.

My definition of a sniper rifle? Any accurate rifle in the hands of a sniper.
 
As to the specific question as to how a Remington 700 PSS differs from a Varminter: the stock. The Varminter stock is closer along the lines of a sporter stock but like the PSS stock which is thicker at the grip and foreend (and has an extra swivel stud for the bipod) also features an aluminum bedding block (what else do you expect from HS Precision?).

Generally precision rifles have more attention to detail in assembly and choice of components. Steel trigger guards are in since they won't "compress" like aluminum ones used on the standard rifles (and Remington uses aluminum). Heavier barrels which don't heat up as rapidly and become spaghetti like sporter barrels are another feature. Care in ensuring the barrel is true to the receiver is done during assembly. The bolt is lapped to the receiver and the trigger is tuned. The box magazine is generally spot welded onto the receiver. The recoil lug is a precision machined component with a slight taper which facilitates removal and installation without damaging the bedding; unlike the factory recoil lug. The stock is bedded with a steel based bedding compound. The barrel is free floated. There's other details and I'll leave it to others.
 
Why is it, that when someone mentions, or asks, "Do I have a 'sniper rifle'?" it makes me a bit nervous? I certainly do not doubt that the antis and feds watch these sites real close.
There is a post on another forum where the forum was labeled "A criminal information site." It's just another shooter forum, just like TFL.
Anti or government baiting? Who knows? Damn! I hate feeling paranoid.
Paul B
 
Wow, not a good report regarding the Nikon. I guess that many makes are running on fumes. Of course, the Phillipines has a large well educated working force and might be a good place to fabricate optics. It sounds like your disapproval goes beyond where it was made.

Here is a review of yet another 50mm Grand Slam, the Titanium, Leopold and other scopes. Seems like the Weaver website isn't up to date.

Review:

http://fieldandstream.com/olgeartest/huntingoptics/riflescopes/riflescope.html
 
Gary H, the Philippines have been a center for manufacture of optics for quite a while. It's a primary source for contact lenses for a lot of Asia, for example. I don't remember the exact brands, but quite a few rifle scopes and binoculars come from there.

younggenius, my 30-year old Weatherby '06 will shoot four-shot groups of 4" at 500 yards; I shot a fairly-quick ten-shot string with two called flyers and had eight rounds into about a six-inch group. So, I figure I could "snipe" with that rifle if I wuz interested in such things...

My father, in front of four witnesses, called the white spot on a buck at around 500 yards with his sporterized Springfield. I'd have to say that a fella should not aggravate that old man, not and be within 500 to 600 yards, anyway...

I don't put a knock on a "Sniper Rifle"; I'm grumping about the advertising hype and Madison Avenue nomenclature. And, to some extent, grumping about the folks who take it seriously.

I'm just a hunter...

:), Art
 
If you can define "sniper", then a "sniper rifle" is a rifle used by a "sniper." To the press, anyone shooting from a hidden position is a "sniper", which may be as good a definition as any.

Most of the Japanese so-called "snipers" in WWII were not trained marksmen, did not fire at very long range, and were using only standard rifles. They simply stayed out of sight until they found a good target.

Jim
 
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