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Rem,Savage,CZ,/Ruger
- Thread starter Pat C
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Reloads Only
Have owned 77s, 70s, 700s, and Savage, but no CZ. The first loads from the 116 in 260 were .5" and .6", respectively, with 100 Noslers and 120 Noslers. It has the Accutrigger and Accustock and only my 700 in 30-06, at 5/8", has come close. The rest, in 280, 270, 7mmMag have shot 1-2".
Have owned 77s, 70s, 700s, and Savage, but no CZ. The first loads from the 116 in 260 were .5" and .6", respectively, with 100 Noslers and 120 Noslers. It has the Accutrigger and Accustock and only my 700 in 30-06, at 5/8", has come close. The rest, in 280, 270, 7mmMag have shot 1-2".
The Rugers based on the new Ruger American action are proving to be top contenders. The older Ruger Mk-II design is as rugged and dependable as anything ever made, but they have never been noted for anything better than hunting grade accuracy.
All of the others have potential and I'd say are pretty close.
All of the others have potential and I'd say are pretty close.
Iwanttoshootbettter
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Great post I'm looking at reviews on what you ask for and everyone I read is the greatest gun made.I own a new REM SPS camo in 30-06 and its fine n well for my w/t n hog hunting.Im favoring the REM 5r in 308 24" for bench fun.This post should get interesting.
"...for strictly target..." A lot will depend on the kind of target shooting and your budget. And if you're building a rifle or looking for a commercial hunting rifle that can double as a target rifle. Said hunting rifles are not made for outstanding target accuracy. Even though a lot of 'em are capable of it. You really can buy one based entirely on price though.
Heavy barrels and adjustable triggers, only, of course.
Heavy barrels and adjustable triggers, only, of course.
precision_shooter
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I went with Savage 12LRP in 6.5 Creedmoor as my target rifle.
26" bull barrel
HS Precision stock
Target Accutrigger adjustable down to 6oz pull weight. I have it set at about 14oz right now.
Topped mine with a Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 scope with 20moa base and set it under a Harris BR bipod.
Added adjustable cheek riser as well
It's one heck of a rifle for the money.
26" bull barrel
HS Precision stock
Target Accutrigger adjustable down to 6oz pull weight. I have it set at about 14oz right now.
Topped mine with a Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 scope with 20moa base and set it under a Harris BR bipod.
Added adjustable cheek riser as well
It's one heck of a rifle for the money.
Iwanttoshootbettter
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The REM SPS varmit in 308 win was amazing outa the box 2"groups at 100yrds
Iwanttoshootbettter
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Pat C great choice REM SPS varmit 308 win 2" groups out the box at 100 yards 150grn corelokts amazing for me to shoot this well today.
i have a stock rem sps LH 700 SA in 7mm08 with a 2.5x8 leupold vx111 that gives .5" three shot groups at 200 yards from a lead sled rest with 120gr nosler BT bullets with a healty load of varget. i think i paid about 500.00 for the rifle and won the scope at a sporting ticket(10.00) drawing, i like it so much i bought another one. i have never tried it at 1000 yards, i,m five for five on a 8" steel gong at 500 yards. zeroed at 200yards-10 clicks 300 yards-20 clicks 400 yards-33 clicks 500 yards. eastbank.
The OP did not say if he was building a custom gun around the action or a factory, out of box, question. Most people, 90% buy a gun and shoot it. If a little motivated, they will adjust or replace a trigger. A bad trigger, one that needs replacing is not an plus for the maker, IMHO.
To use a sports, metaphore, on any "given sunday". Any two nib, guns for the 4 makers, could be any one is the winner.
My CZ 527 varmint will do 1/2 moa with factory ammo and that probably translate to 1/4 if I ever wanted to spend a pile of time and money figuring out the best reload. Good trigger, no tinkering needed. No bedding, nothing. The finish and walnut stocks are top notch.
I dont like Remington for anything any more. The finish and triggers are low end. The only claim to fame for a Remington is a lot of gun smiths will reuse the action to build a good rifle. Accuracy probably just ok. Triggers get replaced.
Ruger never had a great reputation for consistent top accuracy. They are GOOD, not great. I think modern manufacturing has allowed them to improve their average. The actually accuracy of their Precision rifle in no better than any cz or tikka varmint. Ruger is a good value, but I would never call them the "best accuracy". I own Ruger and they are honest, solid: Good gun. The American is a great hunting rifle, only good at the range. I would hope for 1 moa with best factory load. About double the cz.
Savage is interesting, the average is average or better. The good savages are just amazing. The occasional lemon (or not that occasional based on my club members) drags the average way down. If I was on a budget and wanted a basic 308 heavy barrel gun I would consider savage and be prepared to dump a problem gun and buy a 2nd try if needed. The trigger is good too.
It is all a gamble. I dont think the makers even test fire the guns any more. Maybe CZ, I think I got a test target. Ruger has the best customer service. CZ is good. Savage, I dont know. Remington is awful. That is both personal with all three and by reputation.
To use a sports, metaphore, on any "given sunday". Any two nib, guns for the 4 makers, could be any one is the winner.
My CZ 527 varmint will do 1/2 moa with factory ammo and that probably translate to 1/4 if I ever wanted to spend a pile of time and money figuring out the best reload. Good trigger, no tinkering needed. No bedding, nothing. The finish and walnut stocks are top notch.
I dont like Remington for anything any more. The finish and triggers are low end. The only claim to fame for a Remington is a lot of gun smiths will reuse the action to build a good rifle. Accuracy probably just ok. Triggers get replaced.
Ruger never had a great reputation for consistent top accuracy. They are GOOD, not great. I think modern manufacturing has allowed them to improve their average. The actually accuracy of their Precision rifle in no better than any cz or tikka varmint. Ruger is a good value, but I would never call them the "best accuracy". I own Ruger and they are honest, solid: Good gun. The American is a great hunting rifle, only good at the range. I would hope for 1 moa with best factory load. About double the cz.
Savage is interesting, the average is average or better. The good savages are just amazing. The occasional lemon (or not that occasional based on my club members) drags the average way down. If I was on a budget and wanted a basic 308 heavy barrel gun I would consider savage and be prepared to dump a problem gun and buy a 2nd try if needed. The trigger is good too.
It is all a gamble. I dont think the makers even test fire the guns any more. Maybe CZ, I think I got a test target. Ruger has the best customer service. CZ is good. Savage, I dont know. Remington is awful. That is both personal with all three and by reputation.
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Hardware is only half of the solution. I have people come in to my shop all the time complaining about accuracy with this or that rifle. The OP has not said what his level of experience and proficiency are. I hope this is not one of those "I want to shoot 1000 yds, what gun should I buy" threads.
Aside from that, there are many rifles that have good reputations for accuracy, and many can do it well, but no one can say for sure that any rifle of any brand or caliber will always shoot sub-MOA. But best bets are (in my order of preference) Remington 700, Savage, Tikka, TC, CZ, Winchester, Ruger.
Aside from that, there are many rifles that have good reputations for accuracy, and many can do it well, but no one can say for sure that any rifle of any brand or caliber will always shoot sub-MOA. But best bets are (in my order of preference) Remington 700, Savage, Tikka, TC, CZ, Winchester, Ruger.
The older Ruger Mk-II design is as rugged and dependable as anything ever made, but they have never been noted for anything better than hunting grade accuracy
That may have been true once, but my 77 Hawkeye Predator begs to differ now.
100 yard five shot groups; the largest shot to date was 1 1/4". The smallest was .331" backed up by .500". Most of my other groups are in the .5 to .8 " range. Bullets tested so far are Sierra 120 to 142s. Some Hornadys (the old A-max) and some forty year old 125gr. Nosler Partitions. I'm using those for hunting, my load for them never goes over an inch.
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VoodooMountain
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What is your definition of strictly target?
For recreation the newer Ruger 77's and savages are usually quite good as is. Many rem 700's are the same as well.
How accurate are you wanting? For a precision tool used in competition or long range target you would be better served with a 700 action and custom everything else. You could also get a savage to shoot very very well for a lot less money than Remington due to the (ironically) cost saving design of the rifle itself.
If I were wanting a rifle for recreational target shooting that was pretty much good to go out of the box I would look very hard at the savage 12. Cabelas has a cheaper version that has a cheaper stock and there are other versions that have the accustock. I had one in 223 that was Very accurate.
Another on my list would be a Remington 700 sps tactical. From everything I hear from shooters and read in forums (for what that is worth) it seems about 2/3 of these guns are very accurate.
Savage hog hunter would be 3rd on my list but the stock would have to be changed and comes with a blind mag from the factory. I have 2 of these that I found for around $300 each but haven't had a chance to shoot them since acquiring.
Ruger 77 models that have thicker barrels for target work seem to be very expensive. I have a few regular 77's and they have been quite accurate but not target grade for what that is worth.
For recreation the newer Ruger 77's and savages are usually quite good as is. Many rem 700's are the same as well.
How accurate are you wanting? For a precision tool used in competition or long range target you would be better served with a 700 action and custom everything else. You could also get a savage to shoot very very well for a lot less money than Remington due to the (ironically) cost saving design of the rifle itself.
If I were wanting a rifle for recreational target shooting that was pretty much good to go out of the box I would look very hard at the savage 12. Cabelas has a cheaper version that has a cheaper stock and there are other versions that have the accustock. I had one in 223 that was Very accurate.
Another on my list would be a Remington 700 sps tactical. From everything I hear from shooters and read in forums (for what that is worth) it seems about 2/3 of these guns are very accurate.
Savage hog hunter would be 3rd on my list but the stock would have to be changed and comes with a blind mag from the factory. I have 2 of these that I found for around $300 each but haven't had a chance to shoot them since acquiring.
Ruger 77 models that have thicker barrels for target work seem to be very expensive. I have a few regular 77's and they have been quite accurate but not target grade for what that is worth.