Relocation dilemma - Ohioans help!

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David Scott

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I have a chance at a new job. Problem is, it's in Ohio. No CCW, and a bunch of other nasty restrictions. It looks like I could live over the border in extreme western Pennsylvania if I were willing to drive an hour each way. I could get a PA permit but could not go to and from work armed. Bites, huh?

Any Ohioans care to comment on the possibility of shall-issue CCW in Ohio soon? We just had an election, did a bunch of pro-gun candidates get in?
 
I haven't heard anything about the Ohio legislature working on any CCW bills in a while. I have a friend that works as a Page for the Senate another that works for the House. If they mention anything about CCW, I'll post it here.
 
No CCW, and a bunch of other nasty restrictions.
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I agree that the CCW laws are a problem, but what sort of other "nasty restrictions" do you have in mind? Outside of the major cities (Columbus, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Toledo), Ohio has few anti-gun laws.

I'd rate the odds of some sort of CCW permit system at 65% within the next three years. I'd put the odds of a good, shall-issue system at about 15% in the same time frame.
 
I'm on the Ohioans for Concealed Carry mailing list. Recent contributions there have me believing that the odds of "shall-issue" CCW passing in Ohio within the next two years are closer to 70% - 90%. But I'm an optimist. :)

Unfortunately the latest word is that reformed CCW laws may come at the expense of a "safe storage" law. I for one am not willing to make that trade. One of our most pro-gun state legislators, Ron Hood, was defeated in November. The incoming Speaker of the House, Larry Householder, is very much pro-gun, though. Here's an article on the subject that was published just today: http://www.dispatch.com/news/newsfea00/dec00/536316.html

The good thing about Ohio is that you can still engage in private transactions when buying a firearm. Many states do not allow this freedom.

The bad things are, if you are charged with illegal CCW, you are considered guilty until you prove yourself innocent (prudent man/affirmative defense clause); you may not posess a magazine for a gun that you also posess that holds more than 30 rounds unless you have a dangerous ordnance permit; open carry is allowed but not practiced anywhere but extreme rural Ohio for the most part; confusing and contradictory firearm transportation laws are also par for the course.

If you end up anywhere near Akron, contact Falconer or me, we'll go shooting. :)
 
And how about the new "must register" law if you want to throw a party and need to buy more than a couple kegs of beer?

Or the law they passed that makes so much as pointing a pencil at someone "assualt with a deadly weapon"?

I escaped from Ohio a little over two years ago, and it had nothing to do with their firearms issues.

They are just too zealous about sending anyone to prison for anything they can think of.
 
A few years back, Mr. Washington and his buddies were willing to give up their lives for their freedoms. Quite a few of them did. So today, can we give up a few $$ on our paycheck maintain our freedoms? Food for thought.

I delt with this also. I passed up a high end IT networking position in New Mexico that was offering 80K for a position in AZ offering quite a bit less - why? Because in New Mexico (like Ohio) - the law states that you must be a sitting duck as a free and law abiding citizen, or you'll be a bent over duck while no longer a free citizen in jail.

Best luck. -Jest
 
And how about the new "must register" law if you want to throw a party and need to buy more than a couple kegs of beer?
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That's a Columbus law, not an Ohio law.

I suppose it's a matter of perspective. Ohio isn't as good as Indiana, Kentucky, Pennsylvania or West Virginia, but it's better than California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Illinois or New York.

I'd relocate to someplace better but I'm not exactly being swamped with job offers. ;)
 
I too, escaped from Ohio. First to Vermont, because of it's lack of gun laws, and it's proximity to Quebec. But there was no work. So I came to Colorado, where there is lots of work but less freedom. But it's not really that bad in a lot of areas, and the geography is fantastic.

I'll never live in Ohio again.
 
Agreed, justice.

Unless, of course, they pass a lot of pro-gun laws real soon.

And get rid of the city, county, and state income tax.
 
Huh?

Any Ohioans care to comment on the possibility of shall-issue CCW in Ohio soon? We just had an election, did a bunch of pro-gun candidates get in?
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Whatever does THAT mean or infer I wonder?
 
The Blues Man,

I see the question as somewhat incongruous with this position:

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=28972

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=40402

You either vote what you believe in, or face the situation where ideals conflict with reality. Certainly, voting for the candidate of your choice, is your right as an American. However, if you feel strongly about an issue or a candidate, it's your obligation as a voter to weight everything about that issue/candidate. Clinton has certainly been the most anti-gun President to hold office. Gore gave no indication that he was anthing less. Quite the contrary, Gore indicated he would devote an inordinate amount of time "Reinventing Government".

On the other topic of nasty restrictions, Florida (David's posted current State of residence) and Ohio seem about even at a State level, where nasty restricitions are concerned. Ohio could even be interperted as being less restrictive, since, by written law, Ohio's resrtictions are more specific in nature, and as open to interpertaion as Florida's. Ohio defines in writing, what Florida leaves open to discrection: eg. How do you define "undesirables"? *Taken from the NRA website ( http://www.nraila.org/research/19990716-BillofRightsCivilRights-010.html )
It is unlawful for the following persons to own, possess or use any firearm: drug addicts, alcoholics, mental incompetents, "vagrants" and "undesirables" and "persons in or about a place of nuisance."
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  • The State of Florida also bans open carry, which is allowed in Ohio. (Allowed, but I realize, not tolerated)
  • Florida has a three day waiting period, which Ohio does not.
Certainly, with a licence provision, Florida takes a somewhat more realisitc approach, at least on the surface. Looking at bit closer though, and it's clear Florida usues the licensing law to circumvent their own,as well as the United States Constitution.
"The licensing law "shall be liberally construed to carry out the Constitutional right to bear arms for self-defense."
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On the whole, Florida vs Ohio is pretty much a wash.
 
I agree that Ohio and Florida seem pretty even as far as restrictive gun laws go. I didn't know about most of those laws in Florida. Thanks for the info. :)

I see what you mean about the voting too. I'm baffled. 'nuff sed. ;)

Merry Christmas to you and yours. :)
 
RAE,

My position was inconsistent only if RKBA is the only political issue in the whole wide world. It's an important one, but not the only one. In any case, who I voted for is moot now since Dubya is getting ready to occupy the White House. I'm asking for practical help and advice here, not a critique of my political opinions.

I don't see how anyone can regard Florida as being as restrictive as Ohio. Florida has a waiting period, and that's an inconvenience but not a big one. Florida has liability for adults who allow kids access to their guns; some dislike this law but I consider it fairly reasonable as gun laws go.

The big difference for me is that Florida has a shall-issue concealed carry law, and its law enforcement is generally reasonable on the matter of defensive force. Ohio has no CCW and if you do ever shoot someone you have to present an "affirmative defense", which amounts to being guilty until proven innocent. Florida also has reciprocity with a large number of states, which I consider important as a touring motorcyclist and RVer.

The possible job in Ohio would be a very good step for my career. The way I see it, I have these choices:

1. Decline the job so I can stay in a gun-friendly state. Good for my RKBA but I'd be missing a great career move.

2. Take the job, move to Ohio and get politically active in the Ohio shall-issue CCW campaign. The only drawback (besides snow) is the heartburn I'd get from the political process.

3. Take the job, live in Pennsylvania (where I can get a permit) and drive 60+ miles (unarmed) back and forth to work.
 
David,

Choose #2 - WE could use you here. In this area (Northeast)there were at least two new reps elected that are pro-gun. The pressure needs put on these people and Governor Taft.
A bill was defeated this year for "Safe Storage" that he was not happy about. It looks like he wants to make a compromise to get that bill passed and will allow CCW. This will not set well with gun owners.

Good Luck,
Carol
 
David,

If you are saying that the RKBA isn't the primary issue for you when choosing a presidential candidate, then it would follow that it wouldn't be a primary issue for you when choosing a place of residence.

Choose option two and come help us in the fight. Just my two cents. :)
 
David,

You wouldn't have to drive to and from work unarmed. Supposedly, the Ohio AG has ruled that you can have a gun on the passenger seat of a car(plain view) with the action locked open and a loaded magazine on your person and still be perfectly legal.

I believe there were a few threads on that subject a few months back.


Tom
 
...Choose #2 (with exception)

...exception being DO NOT LOCATE YOURSELF IN COLUMBUS, CINCINNATI, OR CLEVELAND.

...I think the guilty til proven innocent statements would depend on the locality. Which can pertain to any area in any state. Not accross the whole state of Ohio.

...Sure there are pro's ,and con's. Just like every other state. It could be a lot worse. Overall state wise. I believe our gun laws, and lack of restrictions are not too bad. With the exception of some cities.

...As for CCW comming our way. I have a feeling, and I may be wrong (let's hope). That some of our "lack of restrictions" may be forfeited when achieving CCW. Or they take away some of the things currently allowed, and make available Concealed Carry. Only if a good reason is given that you may be issued one. Just for the point of saying "Now you have Concealed Carry. You happy now!".
 
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