i need help. i have seen online that glock does not recommend using reloaded ammo, i think... my question: does glock have a problem with reloaded ammo? does the xd9 have a problem with reloaded ammo? ive heard that a glock chamber likes to blow up in your hands if you use reloads. im so confused!!! help?!
reloaded ammo?
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Lead bullets clog up the polygonal rifling in Glock barrels. This is what usually causes the kabooms you hear about. The lead clogs the barrel up to the point it is blocked like a bullet in bore situation. Fire one more round, and boom, just like almost any other gun. H&K and Desert Eagle, among some limited others, use this same type of rifling. And as most reloaders use lead bullets because they are cheap, therein lies the problem.
Avoid lead bullets in your reloads and you won't have this problem. Plated or jacketed bullets should be fine. All of my Glocks are fed a steady diet of reloaded ammo with no problems.
Guns with conventional rifling do not clog up with lead like polygonal rifling does.
I have never heard a manufacturer recommend reloads for use in their guns. Most actually state that using reloads will void the warranty.
Avoid lead bullets in your reloads and you won't have this problem. Plated or jacketed bullets should be fine. All of my Glocks are fed a steady diet of reloaded ammo with no problems.
Guns with conventional rifling do not clog up with lead like polygonal rifling does.
I have never heard a manufacturer recommend reloads for use in their guns. Most actually state that using reloads will void the warranty.
I would imagine that it all depends on the quality of the reload. I have used reloads in my 24/7 that i bought at Dicks sporting goods and they shoot the same as new ammo but they are factory reloads. The only problem i have with them is that they are not jacketed so there is alot more smoke and lead dust so i would only use them outdoors and it makes more of a mess in the barrell. In my opinion it's probably a liability issue when they tell you not to use them as there can be inconsistancy with the load. If you are reloading for target practise then i'm sure a weaker load would be fine but that's just my opinion.
as said above, use plated or jacketed bullets. or you can buy one of the after market barrels for glock, that doesn't have polygonal rifling.
http://www.kkmprecision.com/custom_pistol_barrels/home.php
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Products.aspx?CAT=4
http://www.stormlakebarrel.com/
http://www.kkmprecision.com/custom_pistol_barrels/home.php
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Products.aspx?CAT=4
http://www.stormlakebarrel.com/
Glock does'nt warranty for reloads because people that reload sometimes like to hot rod their loads.
Lead bullets are a no-no in Glocks.
The blowing up issue has been taken care of and it's was'nt related to reloads-it was a head spacing issue.
I would have no problem using range reloads in a Glock.
That would be commercially reloaded rounds at a standard pressure.
There really is'nt any manufacturer that is going to warranty their gun for hot reloads.
They would'nt be in business for long if they did that.
Lead bullets are a no-no in Glocks.
The blowing up issue has been taken care of and it's was'nt related to reloads-it was a head spacing issue.
I would have no problem using range reloads in a Glock.
That would be commercially reloaded rounds at a standard pressure.
There really is'nt any manufacturer that is going to warranty their gun for hot reloads.
They would'nt be in business for long if they did that.
Because they don't know the individual person, most gun manufacturers advise against reloads as a CYA maneuver. There are, however, a couple of issues with reloads that are specific to Glocks. First of all, Glock uses polygonal rifling in their barrels. While this type of rifling is quite accurate and usually gives slightly higher velocities than traditional cut rifling, it leads quickly when used with cast or swaged bullets. If you want to shoot non-jacketed bullets in your Glock, the best thing to do is replace the barrel with an aftermarket one that has regular cut rifling such as those from Lone Wolf.
The other issue is Glock's lack of full chamber support. While this usually isn't an issue, when high-pressure ammo like full-power 10mm is used it can often bulge the cases at the unsupported part of the chamber and make them unsuitable for reloading, this phenomenon is often called the "Glock smiley-face" because the bulge resembles just that. Use of an aftermarket barrel with fuller chamber support will alleviate this issue.
As far as the reports of Glock KB's, most of them seem to be with guns in .40 S&W. That particular cartridge, especially when loaded with heavier 180-200grn bullets, is rather sensitive to OAL and a bullet seated a bit too deep can cause a dramatic increase in pressure. This, coupled with Glock's partially unsupported chambers, is probably responsible for the majority of Glock KB's.
The other issue is Glock's lack of full chamber support. While this usually isn't an issue, when high-pressure ammo like full-power 10mm is used it can often bulge the cases at the unsupported part of the chamber and make them unsuitable for reloading, this phenomenon is often called the "Glock smiley-face" because the bulge resembles just that. Use of an aftermarket barrel with fuller chamber support will alleviate this issue.
As far as the reports of Glock KB's, most of them seem to be with guns in .40 S&W. That particular cartridge, especially when loaded with heavier 180-200grn bullets, is rather sensitive to OAL and a bullet seated a bit too deep can cause a dramatic increase in pressure. This, coupled with Glock's partially unsupported chambers, is probably responsible for the majority of Glock KB's.
No gun maker will recommend or warranty the use of reloads in their guns. For the simple reason that they have no way of knowing or controlling what goes into the reload. One can hardly expect the factory to stand behind a gun that you blew up with a bad reload.
The polygonal bore of the Glock does not do well with lead bullets. This is quite true. Also the chambers of Glock barrels are "generously relieved", leaving a larger than usual amount of the case unsupported. This method of chambering promotes reliable function, but is hard on the brass. Cases often swell and bulge more than cases fired in other maker's guns. While this has little effect on new ammo, reloads could have brass that has been "weakened" by its reuse, and might cause trouble.
I have seen some cases fired in Glocks that while they are reloadable, they were so badly bulged on one side of the case head that I would not use them. That's a personal issue, many people do use reloads in Glocks without problems. Just understand that if you do have a problem, the factory will not warranty the work.
There's a reason that aftermarket barrels for Glocks are very popular, and it usually has little to do with improving accuracy.
The polygonal bore of the Glock does not do well with lead bullets. This is quite true. Also the chambers of Glock barrels are "generously relieved", leaving a larger than usual amount of the case unsupported. This method of chambering promotes reliable function, but is hard on the brass. Cases often swell and bulge more than cases fired in other maker's guns. While this has little effect on new ammo, reloads could have brass that has been "weakened" by its reuse, and might cause trouble.
I have seen some cases fired in Glocks that while they are reloadable, they were so badly bulged on one side of the case head that I would not use them. That's a personal issue, many people do use reloads in Glocks without problems. Just understand that if you do have a problem, the factory will not warranty the work.
There's a reason that aftermarket barrels for Glocks are very popular, and it usually has little to do with improving accuracy.
BackCountry
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I've put close to 10,000 rounds of reloaded 10mm through my Glock with no problems. My standard loading is the equivalent of a mid range .41 mag. I always use jacketed bullets. I've been using the same brass for years - discarding the ones that develop the smiley face bulge or cracks around the mouth from brass fatigue. I inspect each case carefully before reloading. Any deep scratches/possible cracks are inspected with a 10X magnifying glass.
I do carry hand loaded HOT 200 gr 10mm @ 1350 fps for bears and/or hunting. For me this is pushing the limits of the 10mm round. This brass does not get reloaded once fired. I usually can't find it anyway as it travels around 20 yds from the gun when ejected.
I do carry hand loaded HOT 200 gr 10mm @ 1350 fps for bears and/or hunting. For me this is pushing the limits of the 10mm round. This brass does not get reloaded once fired. I usually can't find it anyway as it travels around 20 yds from the gun when ejected.
Every maker I can think of says something against the use of reloaded ammo in their firearms. Why? Because they make their firearms to shoot SAAMI spec ammo, and most handloaders don't have easy access to testing facilities, or even pressure barrels.
So they simply won't warranty the gun if a bad reload blows it up.
I have several firearms that have never had a factory cartridge fired in them. All I feed them is handloads. My Glock right now is about even up between shooting factory and handloads. It doesn't seem to notice any difference between the two, and runs 100% with either.
BUT, I'm a very picky handloader, and do not just throw together some loads that will go bang. They're loaded to specific data known to be safe.
In fact, in many cases my loads have proven more accurate than factory fodder in my firearms. Ok, in every case they are. I tailor them to the gun.
Daryl
So they simply won't warranty the gun if a bad reload blows it up.
I have several firearms that have never had a factory cartridge fired in them. All I feed them is handloads. My Glock right now is about even up between shooting factory and handloads. It doesn't seem to notice any difference between the two, and runs 100% with either.
BUT, I'm a very picky handloader, and do not just throw together some loads that will go bang. They're loaded to specific data known to be safe.
In fact, in many cases my loads have proven more accurate than factory fodder in my firearms. Ok, in every case they are. I tailor them to the gun.
Daryl
chris in va
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NOW you tell me. I've shot 1500 of my cast reloads through the 21SF and no leading. Guess I'll have to stop now.
Death from Afar
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I SUSPECT that excess use of lead reloads will clog up the rifling eventually, but by golly you would have to fire a lot. I really thing that if you use a decent lead solvent after ever 500 rds or so, you simply wont have a problem, and you would almost cetainly see some excess pressure signs before hand.
Having said that, to play it safe, I got a storm lake drop in barrel which i really rate, and they are cheap insurance. I like them.
Having said that, to play it safe, I got a storm lake drop in barrel which i really rate, and they are cheap insurance. I like them.
triumph666
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glock barrels foul faster with lead bullets than conventional barrels but they will shoot them if you dont mind extreme cleaning session after shooting straight lead!
Big thing about glocks is the unssupported barrels which means your casings will have a nice bulge on one half(lower side) after firing so if you reload just make sure casings havent cracked on that part...but other those tidbits i fire almost nothing but reloaded ammo out of my glock an i do have a wolf ported barrel for extended lead firing situations cuz i hate scraping lead out!
Big thing about glocks is the unssupported barrels which means your casings will have a nice bulge on one half(lower side) after firing so if you reload just make sure casings havent cracked on that part...but other those tidbits i fire almost nothing but reloaded ammo out of my glock an i do have a wolf ported barrel for extended lead firing situations cuz i hate scraping lead out!
oneounceload
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+1
As for lead bullets - buy the aftermarket barrel from a variety of folks who makes them with conventional rifling and shoot lead to your heart's content
chris in va
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Glock uses an unusual poly rifling compared to others I've seen. It's like a smoothbore with abruptly rounded lands. Now my Kahr on the other hand looks more like a stopsign in cross section and I *definitely* get leading with that barrel, so only put a couple mags of LRN through it at a time before cleaning.
Thankfully, some gun makers are seeing the light. Where Remington used to recommend that you use their ammo, I found a more reasonable approach in a recent Remington owner's manual:
[SIZE=-2]Reloading Requires Extra Diligence.
If you’re an ammunition reloader, you are responsible for personally assuring that the loads and components of your reloaded ammunition meet your gun’s factory-tested standards. Never use ammunition which has been reloaded by someone else!
Many shooters handload as a hobby or to save money on commercial, factory-made ammunition. However, it requires a thorough knowledge of reloading procedures and a deep respect for the explosive potential of gunpowder.
Firearms are designed, manufactured and proof-tested to standards based on factory-loaded ammunition. Handloaded or reloaded ammunition that deviates, either intentionally or accidentally, from load or component
recommendations can be very dangerous.
Reloaders must observe all possible safety precautions and practices related to the proper handling of explosives. Whether you’re a seasoned reloader or just starting out, you should study the subject, watch reloading demonstrations and talk to experienced reloaders.
The first rule of reloading is to always follow the manufacturer’s instructions for the components you’re using. They’ll tell you to follow certain guidelines. Namely:
Primers and powders are also highly toxic and flammable. So after reloading be sure to clean up all materials from your work area. Don’t leave primer or powder spills anywhere on the floor or bench top. Dispose of all waste material in accordance with the manufacturer’s recommendations.
Finally, when reloading or handloading concentrate on what you’re doing at all times. Do not be distracted by talking to others, listening to the radio or watching TV while reloading. Never reload after consuming alcoholic beverages or drugs of any kind. You are working with extremely hazardous materials and you can’t risk even a few seconds of distraction. Remember, if you reload, you are the ammunition manufacturer and you are responsible for the performance and safety of your reloaded ammunition.
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If you’re an ammunition reloader, you are responsible for personally assuring that the loads and components of your reloaded ammunition meet your gun’s factory-tested standards. Never use ammunition which has been reloaded by someone else!
Many shooters handload as a hobby or to save money on commercial, factory-made ammunition. However, it requires a thorough knowledge of reloading procedures and a deep respect for the explosive potential of gunpowder.
Firearms are designed, manufactured and proof-tested to standards based on factory-loaded ammunition. Handloaded or reloaded ammunition that deviates, either intentionally or accidentally, from load or component
recommendations can be very dangerous.
Reloaders must observe all possible safety precautions and practices related to the proper handling of explosives. Whether you’re a seasoned reloader or just starting out, you should study the subject, watch reloading demonstrations and talk to experienced reloaders.
The first rule of reloading is to always follow the manufacturer’s instructions for the components you’re using. They’ll tell you to follow certain guidelines. Namely:
1. Don’t mix or substitute powders or primers.
2. Don’t use unknown or substandard components.
3. Use only suitable components that have been factory-tested by reputable ammunition, powder and bullet manufacturers.
4. Always be sure to use the manufacturer’s recommended recipe when reloading.
Not following these guidelines could result in severe injury to yourself or severe damage to your firearm. Dangerously high pressure and explosions can result from an overcharge of powder or other deviations from established reloading guidelines. Be very careful. The process of reloading exposes you to environmentally hazardous material. Lead, which is known to cause cancer and birth defects, is the most common substance in bullets and shot. It is important to handle lead bullets and shot with extreme care. Work only in a well ventilated area and always wash your hands after exposure and before eating. Never smoke while reloading.2. Don’t use unknown or substandard components.
3. Use only suitable components that have been factory-tested by reputable ammunition, powder and bullet manufacturers.
4. Always be sure to use the manufacturer’s recommended recipe when reloading.
Primers and powders are also highly toxic and flammable. So after reloading be sure to clean up all materials from your work area. Don’t leave primer or powder spills anywhere on the floor or bench top. Dispose of all waste material in accordance with the manufacturer’s recommendations.
Finally, when reloading or handloading concentrate on what you’re doing at all times. Do not be distracted by talking to others, listening to the radio or watching TV while reloading. Never reload after consuming alcoholic beverages or drugs of any kind. You are working with extremely hazardous materials and you can’t risk even a few seconds of distraction. Remember, if you reload, you are the ammunition manufacturer and you are responsible for the performance and safety of your reloaded ammunition.
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After cocsulting with my gunsmith that I've known for over 30 years he said that it would be OK to shoot no more than a 100 rounds of lead thru a Glock.
This is not the official recomendation. Iv'e shot thousands of lead bullets thru a first gen Glock 19 and a third Glock 17. But I clean each thourghly at 100 rounds. I'm using moderate powder charges.
Also to keep bullets from keyholoing I use .357' dia. rather than .356"
Works for me. I don't believe that the gun will ever blow up.
This is not the official recomendation. Iv'e shot thousands of lead bullets thru a first gen Glock 19 and a third Glock 17. But I clean each thourghly at 100 rounds. I'm using moderate powder charges.
Also to keep bullets from keyholoing I use .357' dia. rather than .356"
Works for me. I don't believe that the gun will ever blow up.