biggfoot44
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There was a recent thread that sidetracked into *maximum possable* , and got locked before I came accross.
However I can offer some insights into what I *think* the OP had been asking. Or should have been asking.
From personal experience , and extensive first hand observation , ican speak to the relative performance of shooting at human sized target , for a 50 shot qualification course , from 3-25yds. Structured in the prevailing conventions of the day , to more or less represent defensive use of handgun. Baseline performance is with 4in , medium frame .38spl revolver ( or sometimes .357 loaded w/ .38s ). Compared to various small frame (aka 5 shot) snub .38s .
A consistant rule of thumb is the group sizes will be aprox doubles . ( That is raw group size , not "score" .) If the baseline is someone who chews out the 10 ring with *normal* revolver , double the dispersion still is quite respectable. If the baseline performance with *normal* gun is just kinda , sorta getting by , doubling that resulted in missing the whole target a lot.
A medium frame revolver that just happens to have a 2, 2.5 , 2.75 , or 3in bbl will give 99% of the accuraccy results of a 4in or longer gun of same frame size , etc.
To reframe the result , at whatever distance ( any particular person ) can shoot "satisfactorily" with a full size gun , they can go equiv service with a small frame snub at 1/2 to 2/3 the distance.
And suprise ! While not as much data behind it , but so far seems to carry over to bottomfeeders also. Switching from a more or less Service Sized 9mm to a polymer framed subcompact will yield similar results at 1/2 to 2/3rds the distance. It remains to the individual person's skills , and expectations as to what is usefull vs useless.
As to how far is realistically to be encountered ? The "average"s are well know , and consistantly run to single digits , but I am personally aware of two many that were otherwise to that those as gosepel.
Someone from my present employer made a first shot hit on an armed carjacker at a measured 76 yards.
A good friend engaged an armed robber about to kill his partner at aprox 25yds.
Even farther back a coworker was in a high volume gun battle that started at wrestling , and finished diagonally accross a fast food parking lot.
98% of *Advanced Shooting* skills are simply *basic shooting* done well. Skills with (subcompact guns ) are the sames as those of ( normal sized guns ) , just done better , and practiced more often.
However I can offer some insights into what I *think* the OP had been asking. Or should have been asking.
From personal experience , and extensive first hand observation , ican speak to the relative performance of shooting at human sized target , for a 50 shot qualification course , from 3-25yds. Structured in the prevailing conventions of the day , to more or less represent defensive use of handgun. Baseline performance is with 4in , medium frame .38spl revolver ( or sometimes .357 loaded w/ .38s ). Compared to various small frame (aka 5 shot) snub .38s .
A consistant rule of thumb is the group sizes will be aprox doubles . ( That is raw group size , not "score" .) If the baseline is someone who chews out the 10 ring with *normal* revolver , double the dispersion still is quite respectable. If the baseline performance with *normal* gun is just kinda , sorta getting by , doubling that resulted in missing the whole target a lot.
A medium frame revolver that just happens to have a 2, 2.5 , 2.75 , or 3in bbl will give 99% of the accuraccy results of a 4in or longer gun of same frame size , etc.
To reframe the result , at whatever distance ( any particular person ) can shoot "satisfactorily" with a full size gun , they can go equiv service with a small frame snub at 1/2 to 2/3 the distance.
And suprise ! While not as much data behind it , but so far seems to carry over to bottomfeeders also. Switching from a more or less Service Sized 9mm to a polymer framed subcompact will yield similar results at 1/2 to 2/3rds the distance. It remains to the individual person's skills , and expectations as to what is usefull vs useless.
As to how far is realistically to be encountered ? The "average"s are well know , and consistantly run to single digits , but I am personally aware of two many that were otherwise to that those as gosepel.
Someone from my present employer made a first shot hit on an armed carjacker at a measured 76 yards.
A good friend engaged an armed robber about to kill his partner at aprox 25yds.
Even farther back a coworker was in a high volume gun battle that started at wrestling , and finished diagonally accross a fast food parking lot.
98% of *Advanced Shooting* skills are simply *basic shooting* done well. Skills with (subcompact guns ) are the sames as those of ( normal sized guns ) , just done better , and practiced more often.
