Reducing OAL Question

Dustyn19

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Hey guys/gals, I am brand new to the world of hand loading and I have a question about a little issue that cropped up today on my first batch. I am loading some 45ACP rounds using 230gr CMJRN bullets with 5.6gr of VV N340 and federal primers. Using the load data my OAL should have been 1.260". I checked that bullet in my sig 220 barrel and it failed the plunk test and sat slightly high in the chamber. I found the issue was to big of an OAL and slowly shortened the round until it fit nicely which was at a 1.245" length. So I loaded up 50 rounds of that. My question is whether or not that is ok, or am I going to somehow blow up my beloved sig? My powder charge is 0.1gr higher than the recommended start charge. Thanks a ton!
 
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Back the truck up because what you have posted has some problems.

You are using a 230 grain bullet.
Caliber is .220
5.6 grains of VV N340
Federal Primers

OAL 1.260

Something is wrong here as a 230 grain .22 bullet would darn near 1.260 by its self.......
 
hartcreek

P220 is a Sig model number, not a caliber.

Dustyn19

If you started with the starting powder charge a 0.015 shorter OAL is not going to cause a problem.
 
54 guns

The truck still needs to be backed up....

The OAL that he listed is in the 9mm range. When was the last time you saw a 230 grain bullet used in 9mm?

The numbers in the OP do not make sence. .220 is also a caliber.
 
Max listed overall length with bullet for the .45ACP is 1.275" for the 9mm Luger, it is 1.169"

The Sig P 220 is a single stack model available in 9mm, .38 Super and .45ACP, and has been in the US market since the late 70s.

220 is a "caliber" used in the cartridge name .220 Swift, which is a semi obsolete varmint rifle round, although a very good one .

I don't know about the powder the OP used, I don't use it, but .1gr above starting load is normally pretty safe territory. Also don't know that specific bullet.

The exact profile of the bullet used makes a difference in the overall loaded length that will chamber properly.

The listed max lengths are what should work in most guns. Slightly shorter is common, go check some factory ammo, its rather rare to find any that is a listed max length.

The .45acp is a low pressure round and much more tolerant of changes in seating depth than higher pressure rounds like the 9mm & .40S&W.

I seriously doubt the OP is at risk of blowing up his Sig at this point. Prudence, however says he should test his load before loading any large quantity.
 
Oops, looks like I blew up on my first post here...I did in fact leave out the rather important detail on caliber used. I'm loading .45ACP with a 230gr CMJRN. Thank you for the replies so far...I will reserve creating posts until after I have had ample coffee lol
 
Heh, heh. Yup. You're fine, but any excuse for coffee is a good excuse, IMHO.

There was a time, fifty or sixty years ago, when all bullets with jackets of a given weight and nose style were made the same way and had the same shapes COL's. As explained by Allan Jones in this article, that is no longer true. You want to get a COL from the bullet maker, and not take a general one from a loading manual. Moreover, you want the maker to supply the load data if possible. If, like many plated bullet makers, they just say to use the middle range for jacketed bullets, go out and find at least three sets of load data for different jacketed bullets of the same weight and general shape and use the lowest range among them as your starting point.

As to COL, the main purposes of controlling COL are to ensure a round fits in the magazine and to ensure it feeds. As you've discovered, a slight difference in nose profile can invalidate a COL from the feed standpoint. From the pressure standpoint, if you have two identically constructed bullets but with different profiles, what matters most are the seating depth and distance the bullet has to jump to the lands. In the 45 Auto, specifically, the jump to the lands is less of an issue than it is in a high power rifle because of the lower pressures involved, but the tiny powder space makes seating depth more important.

Seating Depth = case length + bullet length - COL

If the seating depth of your bullet matches the seating depth of the bullet you got the data for, and that bullet has the same construction, then the charge weights will tend to be the same. Small differences in seating depth, like the 0.015" you are talking about are too small to matter much. Indeed, that's within the length variation of some bullets I've measured. Anything over about three times that difference in the .45 Auto I would work the load back up for.
 
How nice it would be if everybody who made bullets had a "standard" OAL for the round for which it was intended printed on the box.
 
Thank you very much for the reply! Plenty of good info for me to look at. I'm hoping to go to the range this week or weekend!
 
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