RED DAWN Thread
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Limeyfellow
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Yes, so for instance if you asked what rifle you would use to fight over a fleet of Hind copters who are massacreing everyone left, right and centre, that would be more firearms related.
But then that particular question might result in being closed because it closely resembles SHTF or ITEOTWAWKI....maybe
Even if that passed, it still wouldn't be legal and political.
However, Red Dawn can be an L&P discussion too. The movie does bring up the tyrannical consequences of firearms registrations and registered gun owners.
It is a pro gun movie in that it shows CITIZENS taking up the fight with privately owned handguns.
If I remember right, the movie also trys to illustrate the results of uncontrolled and massive immigration into a country. According to the movie fifth columners (immigrants) from other countries heavily affected the "Cooban" and "Sofiet Yooonion" takeover. I remember in high school, our history and government teacher telling us that the movie is not too far fetched with as many people as we let in this country every year. I think that happened in Invasion U.S.A. too.
Now I am getting into a ITEOTWAWKI fantasy (or am I?)
Even if that passed, it still wouldn't be legal and political.However, Red Dawn can be an L&P discussion too. The movie does bring up the tyrannical consequences of firearms registrations and registered gun owners.
It is a pro gun movie in that it shows CITIZENS taking up the fight with privately owned handguns.
If I remember right, the movie also trys to illustrate the results of uncontrolled and massive immigration into a country. According to the movie fifth columners (immigrants) from other countries heavily affected the "Cooban" and "Sofiet Yooonion" takeover. I remember in high school, our history and government teacher telling us that the movie is not too far fetched with as many people as we let in this country every year. I think that happened in Invasion U.S.A. too.
Now I am getting into a ITEOTWAWKI fantasy (or am I?)
jakeswensonmt
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Thread not closed?? OK, posting.
I remember when I first saw Red Dawn in theaters in the '80s, as with every teenage male in the theater, I thought "go wolverines, kill those invader scum." It was so clear to me how the local boys were the good guy rebels and the soviets were the evil invader scum and deserved to die gruesomely.
The movie seemed so utterly improbable to me, and I guess it was, the soviets never could have taken us in conventional war, so Red Dawn existed in a parallel universe to our own, and I thought nothing like it could ever happen in this world.
Now when I watch it, it's all changed, done a complete 180. In my current mindset, the wolverines now remind me of Iraqi insurgents, and the soviets have become our soldiers in The Coalition of the Willing. I still want to cheer for the wolverines, but then I think, "they're the insurgents, planting IED's, hiding out and conducting ambushes." I am forced to wonder what a typical Iraqi would have to say after viewing this film.
Also, the film has moved from the realm of the impossible to the realm of the commonplace, although the roles are reversed in-a-mirror-darkly style. We are the invaders now, and when I watch Red Dawn I see the soviets a little differently. My nephew is the Army National Guard and has served in Iraq twice, and I can't help but see a little of him in the soviet soldiers being blown up by the wolverines.
The parallels between Red Dawn and the Iraq war are not perfect (example: we don't mass-execute the locals as was done in Red Dawn) and under close scrutiny some of it doesn't correspond, but the similarities are still there.
I don't mean to get political, or start a hullabaloo about the right/wrong of the Iraq war, but whether you're red or blue you might see the same things that I do when I watch the movie now.
I remember when I first saw Red Dawn in theaters in the '80s, as with every teenage male in the theater, I thought "go wolverines, kill those invader scum." It was so clear to me how the local boys were the good guy rebels and the soviets were the evil invader scum and deserved to die gruesomely.
The movie seemed so utterly improbable to me, and I guess it was, the soviets never could have taken us in conventional war, so Red Dawn existed in a parallel universe to our own, and I thought nothing like it could ever happen in this world.
Now when I watch it, it's all changed, done a complete 180. In my current mindset, the wolverines now remind me of Iraqi insurgents, and the soviets have become our soldiers in The Coalition of the Willing. I still want to cheer for the wolverines, but then I think, "they're the insurgents, planting IED's, hiding out and conducting ambushes." I am forced to wonder what a typical Iraqi would have to say after viewing this film.
Also, the film has moved from the realm of the impossible to the realm of the commonplace, although the roles are reversed in-a-mirror-darkly style. We are the invaders now, and when I watch Red Dawn I see the soviets a little differently. My nephew is the Army National Guard and has served in Iraq twice, and I can't help but see a little of him in the soviet soldiers being blown up by the wolverines.
The parallels between Red Dawn and the Iraq war are not perfect (example: we don't mass-execute the locals as was done in Red Dawn) and under close scrutiny some of it doesn't correspond, but the similarities are still there.
I don't mean to get political, or start a hullabaloo about the right/wrong of the Iraq war, but whether you're red or blue you might see the same things that I do when I watch the movie now.
Sorry not even close Jake. In RD the US hadn't committed genocide with chemical agents against it's own people like SH had with the Kurds. We hadn't invaded another country and been placed under UN resolutions because we were a threat to the region. We aren't there to enslave a population. Most of the fighters who are causing the problems aren't Iraqis but terrorists from outside Iraq. To compare terrorists who would be here blowing up school buses if they could to someone who is defending their country against invasion even if they do use the same tactics is to miss the point.
Wildalaska
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Cool gun scenes. Amusingly Blatant propaganda. Great appeal for the 14-21 crowd. Better than some crap done by Hollywood, worse than others.
WildjustanotherguystwistedvisionoflifeAlaska
Gun Movies...Give me the one with Victor MacLaughlin and Boris Karloff at that Oasis in WWI...what was the name of that one.
WildjustanotherguystwistedvisionoflifeAlaska
Gun Movies...Give me the one with Victor MacLaughlin and Boris Karloff at that Oasis in WWI...what was the name of that one.
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No, it's too close for comfort. You're arguing motives and methods (not to mention clouding the issue with falsehoods) as if they have any bearing on the situation.
Anybody who claims that we "can't" understand the terrorist or insurgent mindset would be well-served to watch this movie.
Anybody who supports the current methods we're employing in our "war" attempt would be well-advised to consider how effective they would be for the Commies in this movie.
(Now we're into something that clearly belongs on L&P)
No, it's too close for comfort. You're arguing motives and methods (not to mention clouding the issue with falsehoods) as if they have any bearing on the situation.
Anybody who claims that we "can't" understand the terrorist or insurgent mindset would be well-served to watch this movie.
Anybody who supports the current methods we're employing in our "war" attempt would be well-advised to consider how effective they would be for the Commies in this movie.
(Now we're into something that clearly belongs on L&P)
Wildalaska
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Yeppers, thats a gun movie. Did you know in one of the Dukes Movies he is packing a nagant revolver.?
I would vote for ron paul if he would promise a law that would issue a nagant revolver to every man woman and child in the US. That would give everyone an equal right to self defense, would cure the russian economic crisis and lead to world peace.
WildgloryglorybepraiseAlaska
I would vote for ron paul if he would promise a law that would issue a nagant revolver to every man woman and child in the US. That would give everyone an equal right to self defense, would cure the russian economic crisis and lead to world peace.
WildgloryglorybepraiseAlaska
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"sprach und sie deutsche?!!!"
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obxned? How is opening a thread named, "Red Dawn," with virtually shouting, "Wolverines," in any manner a legal or political discussion? Or for that matter, a general gun discussion (notice your other attempt in general got closed)?
That's why I closed the other thread here and Mal closed it in General.
If you want such a thread to survive scrutiny, you really need to add some content to your opening post. Without that commentary, the post does not meet the criteria of the board or the particular forum. Without some commentary, the direction of the thread is itself in question.
Take this thread. You asked, "So why is it CLOSED as soon as posted," which in and of itself is more of a Suggestions, Questions and Tech Support type of thread than anything else.
Under most circumstances, the thread would have been moved over to that forum. Instead, I'll leave it here. Because while you have gotten the correct answer from some others, still others have attempted to make the thread into a valid topic... Which makes those comments off topic to the Originating Post (OP).
All of which forces me to close this thread. Why? Because the OP was off topic to the forum and the resulting responses were (mostly) off topic to the OP.
Now, having said that, feel free to open a valid "Red Dawn" thread, with commentary as to what/why/how the movie relates to some political point, so that it may be discussed.
If you still don't understand, feel free to PM or email me.
That's why I closed the other thread here and Mal closed it in General.
If you want such a thread to survive scrutiny, you really need to add some content to your opening post. Without that commentary, the post does not meet the criteria of the board or the particular forum. Without some commentary, the direction of the thread is itself in question.
Take this thread. You asked, "So why is it CLOSED as soon as posted," which in and of itself is more of a Suggestions, Questions and Tech Support type of thread than anything else.
Under most circumstances, the thread would have been moved over to that forum. Instead, I'll leave it here. Because while you have gotten the correct answer from some others, still others have attempted to make the thread into a valid topic... Which makes those comments off topic to the Originating Post (OP).
All of which forces me to close this thread. Why? Because the OP was off topic to the forum and the resulting responses were (mostly) off topic to the OP.
Now, having said that, feel free to open a valid "Red Dawn" thread, with commentary as to what/why/how the movie relates to some political point, so that it may be discussed.
If you still don't understand, feel free to PM or email me.
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