bullfrog99
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For scrawney whitetails at powder burn distances, which rifle would you recomend for dropping whitetails while maintaining near rimfire recoil. weight must also stay less than eight pounds.
recoil-less hunting rifles
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Roughly in order of recoil:
357 lever action
most any 223 with good bullets
6mm BR, this one is not very common
most anything 7.62X39, SKS, mini 30 etc.
44 mag lever action
You could also use most of these in a single shot like the TC Contender but they are on the light side which increases recoil.
The first two listed have very light recoil and their power level is only marginal for the task.
357 lever action
most any 223 with good bullets
6mm BR, this one is not very common
most anything 7.62X39, SKS, mini 30 etc.
44 mag lever action
You could also use most of these in a single shot like the TC Contender but they are on the light side which increases recoil.
The first two listed have very light recoil and their power level is only marginal for the task.
sleeping dog
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Good selection from griz, but don't forget, if you're in southern Michigan, none of these rifles are legal. You have to take them north of the "shotgun zone". In the south, you need a shotgun, muzzleloader, or maybe certain types of pistol. All of which kick considerably more than a .22 
.
Up north, the 7.62x39 should meet your needs, but remember the 5-round magazine limit for semi-autos. The "normal" SKS mag is 10 rounds, but 5-round ones are available. 5-round mags are common for the AK47-style. I don't know of any lightweight bolt-action 7.62x39 rifles that would be cheaper than an SKS or AK. Maybe the TC Contender that griz mentioned.
Do you know if the .223 is legal for deer in Michigan?
Regards.
. Up north, the 7.62x39 should meet your needs, but remember the 5-round magazine limit for semi-autos. The "normal" SKS mag is 10 rounds, but 5-round ones are available. 5-round mags are common for the AK47-style. I don't know of any lightweight bolt-action 7.62x39 rifles that would be cheaper than an SKS or AK. Maybe the TC Contender that griz mentioned.
Do you know if the .223 is legal for deer in Michigan?
Regards.
Relatively quiet, low recoil, very effective at short range.
NEF Pardner tracker 12 ga rifled barrel single shot shotgun. Kicks hard with factory slugs. Load a 1 oz lee drive key slug, waa12 wad, win 209 primer and 17 to 18 gr of titewad in a Win AA case and you get a mild shooting, short range deer slammer. A 69 cal, 437 gr, soft lead slug moving 1,290 fps at muzzle is very effective. Accuracy is very good out to 75 yds, after that the trajectory makes bullet placement challenging. Cheap to purchase and feed if you reload.
Normal disclaimer for loading data, this load is safe in my NEF shotgun, but has not been tested for max pressure generated.
Good hunting!
NEF Pardner tracker 12 ga rifled barrel single shot shotgun. Kicks hard with factory slugs. Load a 1 oz lee drive key slug, waa12 wad, win 209 primer and 17 to 18 gr of titewad in a Win AA case and you get a mild shooting, short range deer slammer. A 69 cal, 437 gr, soft lead slug moving 1,290 fps at muzzle is very effective. Accuracy is very good out to 75 yds, after that the trajectory makes bullet placement challenging. Cheap to purchase and feed if you reload.
Normal disclaimer for loading data, this load is safe in my NEF shotgun, but has not been tested for max pressure generated.
Good hunting!
Art Eatman
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My Sako .243 weighs seven pounds, fully dressed. The recoil from 85-grain bullets seems negligible. (Well, to me...) I have killed around 20 whitetails with it. None dressed out over 110 pounds, but almost all were neck or heart shots.
Quiet, it ain't.
Art
Quiet, it ain't.
Art
bullfrog99
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thanks for your replies, my girlfriend has shown interest in hunting, and she cannot shoot a shotgun so i figured we would go north to the rifle zone and let her use a carbine of some sort.
I was thinking of an m-1 carbine with me standing next to her with my .303 to put it down, or maybe she could use my friends AK, though she cannot pull back the bolt. she shoots rimfires well, but a 20 ga practically knocks her over. has to shoot shotguns under her arm, not exactly good for deer hunting. Thanks for the advice on the slug gun, i have that very same model and have been thinking of picking up the Lyman? slug mold, it looks like a big pellet. I'll look into the LEE one though. Remington one ounce 3" mag slugs kick like a .. er well they kick hard out of even that heavy gun. Really need to start feeding it some Sabots, but they are just so darn expensive. Have you tried any besides your own home brewed kind in your shotgun?. BTW 223's are legal for deer in michigan, the rules in the rifle zone state only no rimfires.
I was thinking of an m-1 carbine with me standing next to her with my .303 to put it down, or maybe she could use my friends AK, though she cannot pull back the bolt. she shoots rimfires well, but a 20 ga practically knocks her over. has to shoot shotguns under her arm, not exactly good for deer hunting. Thanks for the advice on the slug gun, i have that very same model and have been thinking of picking up the Lyman? slug mold, it looks like a big pellet. I'll look into the LEE one though. Remington one ounce 3" mag slugs kick like a .. er well they kick hard out of even that heavy gun. Really need to start feeding it some Sabots, but they are just so darn expensive. Have you tried any besides your own home brewed kind in your shotgun?. BTW 223's are legal for deer in michigan, the rules in the rifle zone state only no rimfires.
sleeping dog
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Scouter, I don't understand your reference to high-explosive. I don't think tripwire fused devices, whether c4 or claymore mines, are legal for deer hunting in most of michigan. And we only use dynamite for salmon fishing. Besides, if bullfrog's girlfriend isn't strong enough to work an AK bolt, she probably can't throw a grenade very far at a deer, either.
Regards
Regards
K
KilgorII
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I say a 16.25" Marlin .357 lever action. Weighs about 5.5 pounds and Georgia Arm's 158 grain GoldDot "Deer Stopper" loads moves out @ 1,855.3 fps for 1,208 ft/lbs of energy. There are many 180 grain loads (Winchester Partition, etc.) if you want a heavier bullet.
240 grain loads from a .44 mag 6" run arounf 960 ft/lbs for a reference.
Keep the shots close enough that she can hit well and it'll work fine.
Add in the fact that she can practice with .38's which are cheap and feel like a bigbore .22RF and you have a winner
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Kilgor
240 grain loads from a .44 mag 6" run arounf 960 ft/lbs for a reference.
Keep the shots close enough that she can hit well and it'll work fine.
Add in the fact that she can practice with .38's which are cheap and feel like a bigbore .22RF and you have a winner
.Kilgor
Bullfrog,
I have fired factory sabot slugs (federal 2 3/4") with the NEF and it is a rather painful experience. My high velocity load (38.5 gr AA#5) is equally painful in this lightweight shotgun. The difference between the titewad load and high vel/factory loads is huge. I haven't tried the lyman slug but would be interested in your results in you NEF.
If I were setting up an NEF slug gun for someone who is recoil shy, I would install a Cheek-Eez pad (Brownell's #440-703-140) and a Pachmayr Decelerator youth pad (Brownell's #690-110-752). Loads would start out at 15 gr titewad, any less has poor accuracy, and work them up to the 17-18 gr range.
Good luck
I have fired factory sabot slugs (federal 2 3/4") with the NEF and it is a rather painful experience. My high velocity load (38.5 gr AA#5) is equally painful in this lightweight shotgun. The difference between the titewad load and high vel/factory loads is huge. I haven't tried the lyman slug but would be interested in your results in you NEF.
If I were setting up an NEF slug gun for someone who is recoil shy, I would install a Cheek-Eez pad (Brownell's #440-703-140) and a Pachmayr Decelerator youth pad (Brownell's #690-110-752). Loads would start out at 15 gr titewad, any less has poor accuracy, and work them up to the 17-18 gr range.
Good luck
Jim, I believe you meant to say 106 mm recoiless rifle. THe 105 is a howitzer - anything BUT recoiless!
The 106 has a perforated casing, and the chamber is so constructed that it allows the gasses to exhaust through the rear, which makes that NOT a good place to be standing! It used a shaped charge type shell, as the velocity is not great enought for AP. (Since the energy of the propellant gasses is not all harnessed for forward motion of the projectile.)
I do think, though, that the 106 is a tad bit much for deer. Even the 75 mm RR might be too much. I think the older 57 mm would do just fine, especially at the ranges mentioned.
Not sure how the ATF would feel about it, though, and I'm sure PETA would not approve of killing the deer and grinding the meat right there in the field!
But it IS centerfire!
The 106 has a perforated casing, and the chamber is so constructed that it allows the gasses to exhaust through the rear, which makes that NOT a good place to be standing! It used a shaped charge type shell, as the velocity is not great enought for AP. (Since the energy of the propellant gasses is not all harnessed for forward motion of the projectile.)
I do think, though, that the 106 is a tad bit much for deer. Even the 75 mm RR might be too much. I think the older 57 mm would do just fine, especially at the ranges mentioned.
Not sure how the ATF would feel about it, though, and I'm sure PETA would not approve of killing the deer and grinding the meat right there in the field!
But it IS centerfire!
Mark the target for Puff.
Griz was really on the nose.
Ruger makes that new .44 mag carbine........neat, lite, compact,accurate rifle.
The lever action 44 magnum will certainly do the job.
My medical Secretary used to use a Winchester .22 magnum Lever action on those scrawny Southwestern Texas Deer, baged one every year. I used a Marlin 30-30, her husban used a .270.
good luck
DA
Griz was really on the nose.
Ruger makes that new .44 mag carbine........neat, lite, compact,accurate rifle.
The lever action 44 magnum will certainly do the job.
My medical Secretary used to use a Winchester .22 magnum Lever action on those scrawny Southwestern Texas Deer, baged one every year. I used a Marlin 30-30, her husban used a .270.
good luck
DA
this ones easy
Marlin 336 in 35 remington. energy stays over 1000 fb's to around 85-100 yards frontal area of a 35 cal FP bullet is a big plus. .357 bullets (made for .38's and 9mm) could be handloaded for cheap practice. hunting loads as light as 180 and heavy as 250 grains available. kicks like a pussycat. cut the stock short and install a pachmyer decelarator pad and you have the perfect ladies gun.
Marlin 336 in 35 remington. energy stays over 1000 fb's to around 85-100 yards frontal area of a 35 cal FP bullet is a big plus. .357 bullets (made for .38's and 9mm) could be handloaded for cheap practice. hunting loads as light as 180 and heavy as 250 grains available. kicks like a pussycat. cut the stock short and install a pachmyer decelarator pad and you have the perfect ladies gun.
You could let her shoot your Rossi .357, if you still have it.
You could get a box of reduced recoil slugs, and see if the recoil is tolerable.
You could buy this .44. I fired a .44 Ruger auto years ago (at 12, maybe?). I was surprised at the lack of recoil. I am certain your SO is much larger than I was at 12.
You could get a box of reduced recoil slugs, and see if the recoil is tolerable.
You could buy this .44. I fired a .44 Ruger auto years ago (at 12, maybe?). I was surprised at the lack of recoil. I am certain your SO is much larger than I was at 12.
Brian Williams
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You might try a New England Firearms Handi rifle in 243, My 12 yr old son is recoil shy and he loves his NEF Superlight Handi rifle. It weighs in at 5 3/4 lbs with scope and sling(provided).. cost for riflein PA is $189 plus cheapy scope and rings...(mount is provided) Synthetic stock with nice comb and real good recoil pad, I am thinking of getting one for my self, his is shooting around 1" at 100yds... I shot it and it had very little recoil from standing and kneeling postions....
You can send the reciever back to NEF and they will put a new barrel on for $35 to $85 in calibers from 22hornet, 30-30, 223, 12ga, 20 ga, 410/45, 44mag, 357, 45-70,give them a call
60 Industrial Rowe
Gardner, MA 01440
Phone (978)632-9393
Fax (978)632-2300
E-mail: hr1871@tiac.net
sorry they don't have aweb sight....
You can send the reciever back to NEF and they will put a new barrel on for $35 to $85 in calibers from 22hornet, 30-30, 223, 12ga, 20 ga, 410/45, 44mag, 357, 45-70,give them a call
60 Industrial Rowe
Gardner, MA 01440
Phone (978)632-9393
Fax (978)632-2300
E-mail: hr1871@tiac.net
sorry they don't have aweb sight....