Rear bag or monopod

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ah141nj

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Taking the pro's and con's of both methods.

Shooting off a bench with a bipod.

Whats a more repeatable (accuracy) method for the rear?
 
This is my first season of using a moo pod. It's on a PRS equipped AR10 with a Atlas bi-pod. Far superior to anything I have used in the past, bean bag, rabbit ears, etc. I can empty a 25 rd mag in 35-40 seconds on a 200yd steel with no misses. Some of the best gun money I have spent. Accu-shot makes a very nice product.

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As a curiosity, why exactly does one need to empty a 25-30 shot mag in 30seconds, which by the by will get you extracted from about 1/2 the rifle ranges in the country?
 
why exactly does one need to empty a 25-30 shot mag in 30seconds
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Whoa, lets not talk about what we "need" because that would eliminate about 80-90% if the things we talk about! :)

No, but seriously, I would say it's just a testament to the quality and validity of the product. If you can do it that many times, one or two times should be a snap. One situation I could see needing accurate follow up shots is if a big old boar is charging you. 30 rounds? That would be one really big boar, but a 5-6 maybe not so out of the question.
 
I bought a CTK Precision monopod about 6 months ago. It’s on a Remington 700. Along with a Harris bipod, and I like the set up. Don’t have to carry bags and a rest. Everything is right there on the rifle. I believe it to be more accurate then a rear sandbag. It’s solid and repeatable.
 
If you have to engage targets across a significant range difference a bag is usually quicker to adjust than a monopod.

Jimro
 
Beanbag pros:
-Cheaper (mine is homemade)
-Faster to adjust POA (squeeze your hand instead of rotating the monopod elevation adjustment)
-isn't a semi-permanent protuberance on your buttstock
-doesn't sink into soft ground

Beanbag cons:
-Weighs more (sometimes)
-requires active control to maintain aim (you must keep squeezing it to keep it on target, and can't set it and forget it)
-can get lost unless tied to the buttstock, in which case you lose "Pro #3" above


That said, if you're looking for the most accurate option off of a bench, why not look at what benchresters do?
I would venture that using all bags (front and rear), would likely be more accurate than a bipod/monopod combo that is susceptible to hopping.
 
As a curiosity, why exactly does one need to empty a 25-30 shot mag in 30seconds
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ITT, Infantry Trophy Match, Rattle Battle, what ever you want to call it, only you get as many rounds off as possible in 50 Sec.

Winning gets you the "Dogs of War Trophy"

You have an 8 man team, six shooters and two coaches with binoculars. You're divided up in two fire teams and have a bank of 8 targets. Each team gets four, (3 shooters and one coach).

The Team is issued 384 Rounds. You fire for 50 seconds at 600 yards prone, move to 500 and shoot setting, in 50 seconds, 300 yards setting
then to 200 yards standing.

You get 6 points per hit at 600, 5 at 500, 3 at 300, and 1 at 200 yards ( I might be a little off on the points per yard line).

You also square your targets for bonus points, meaning for ever target with 6 or more hits you square it. If all 8 targets have more then 60 points, its 64, 6 targets with 6 or more, is 36 etc etc.

Notice the more hits you get at 600 the more points. A good rapid fire technique is mandatory.

Also in service matches you have a 2 mile run before you start shooting.

OK Now that answers the question of WHY.

Now to the OP's question. I've shot a lot of rapid fire with gas guns, both in the rapid fire state of HP and the ITT match. Bypods, monpods bean bags, etc don't work. You roll around, the gun bounces around, it takes too much time to get back to your natural point of aim.

What does work is a good solid (sling) position. Tight sling so you have to force it in your shoulder. You cock your right knee up, almost touching the right elbow (right handed shooter). The Left, support elbow is nearly directly under the elbow. (do not grip the stock with the support hand, just let it rest on the hand). You also don't have a 'heavy" grip with your shooting hand, A firm hand shake grip will work. The heavier the grip on the pistol grip of the rifle will cause movement of the whole rifle when you move your trigger finger.

With this position, get a good spot weld, Head straight, chip monk cheek on the stock. You fire, you automatically fall back into position after recoil, back to your natural point of aim.

I've never been able to do this with bipods, or any sort of rest for the rifle. (bags fore and aft, etc).
 
Aside from competition, to me the purpose of shooting from a benchrest is the testing of the rifle and ammo.

Sure, double-check sight-in with the rigging you know you'll use in hasty field positions, but bipods and monopods are rarely useful in tall grass or brush. They don't help at all when standing or sitting.
 
I had hopping issues with my monopod. I found it better to use my offhand as a rear rest if a bag wasn't available. This was much more accurate for me.
 
What does work is a good solid (sling) position. Tight sling so you have to force it in your shoulder. You cock your right knee up, almost touching the right elbow (right handed shooter). The Left, support elbow is nearly directly under the elbow. (do not grip the stock with the support hand, just let it rest on the hand). You also don't have a 'heavy" grip with your shooting hand, A firm hand shake grip will work. The heavier the grip on the pistol grip of the rifle will cause movement of the whole rifle when you move your trigger finger.

With this position, get a good spot weld, Head straight, chip monk cheek on the stock. You fire, you automatically fall back into position after recoil, back to your natural point of aim.
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+1

that was the way I was taught and it works

For sighting in a rifle I prefer a rear bag because I can squeeze it to make small adjustments to the elevation of the rifle when using a scope with my non firing hand and a sandbag to support the front.
 
You guys can keep your bags, for my long range shooting from a prone position the mono pod has been a improvement, a major improvement. Elevation control is very easy, you simply turn the threaded portion to raise or lower as needed. At long range you never need to turn it more than a half turn, quick and easy. I used bags for years and still do for most of my rifles, they are great, but a bi-pod and mono-pod is a superior precision setup.

Bottom line, I think most folks don't want to spend a hundred bucks on a mono-pod.


As a curiosity, why exactly does one need to empty a 25-30 shot mag in 30seconds, which by the by will get you extracted from about 1/2 the rifle ranges in the country?
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What well I do with the NFA stuff? Fortunately my range is open to full auto most days of the week and no fudds allowed.
 
Range shooting, I can see where they could help. But $100? Way too easy to make one, for a heckuva lot less money. I figured out a simple design, just reading "$100". :D
 
You don't "need" to shoot that fast, but if you can do 24 follow up shots at that distance, then the 1 or 2 you'll actually need one day should be a breeze.
 
ART said:
Range shooting, I can see where they could help. But $100? Way too easy to make one, for a heckuva lot less money. I figured out a simple design, just reading "$100".
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You're right, you could build one very easily with a 5/8 or 3/4 bolt or redi-rod and a few nuts. The only challenge would be attaching it. It's just a threaded leg. You do get a few "extra" features for your C note. 1913 rail attachment, it folds up flush and a slip collar for quick movement from fully extended to fully closed. Heck, if I don't spend the money my kids well, and they've already done well. I am saving a few bucks for the grand kids.
 
I generally set the front of the rifle on a bag and just shoulder the rear. I know not exactly what you were looking for but that is another option
 
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