Joliet Jake
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This was getting OT in another topic so continue here please and anyone else is also invited to discuss.
I never said that and you never answered my question.
So what was it like for you, especially if it was that bad? Please be as specific as possible with your examples that were so bad it needed a gun ban of current designs and what's worse is any future designs to fix. So in a hundred years is it going to be ok with your anscestors to just own that old relic? Inquiring minds yearn to know, kiddo.
Your post had only one factual statement in it, the one immediately below this, and that's where we disagree but you put forth no defense of your position except to attack me. Excellent tactic if you don't have a solid case for your position though. Fine, you win, can I now assume you have some old guns that are artificially worth alot more than they should be due to Reagan's gun ban? You are shortsighted and refuse to see why we even have the 2nd Amendment. So you would be ok with the hypothetical if Lincoln signed a ban on sales of repeating rifles to the people so we could purchase our ammo and 6 shooters easier but we could now only purchase muskets and handguns?
Tamara said:So you weren't there.
I never said that and you never answered my question.
So what was it like for you, especially if it was that bad? Please be as specific as possible with your examples that were so bad it needed a gun ban of current designs and what's worse is any future designs to fix. So in a hundred years is it going to be ok with your anscestors to just own that old relic? Inquiring minds yearn to know, kiddo.
Your post had only one factual statement in it, the one immediately below this, and that's where we disagree but you put forth no defense of your position except to attack me. Excellent tactic if you don't have a solid case for your position though. Fine, you win, can I now assume you have some old guns that are artificially worth alot more than they should be due to Reagan's gun ban? You are shortsighted and refuse to see why we even have the 2nd Amendment. So you would be ok with the hypothetical if Lincoln signed a ban on sales of repeating rifles to the people so we could purchase our ammo and 6 shooters easier but we could now only purchase muskets and handguns?
Tamara said:the only federal legislation that has rolled back existing federal anti-gun laws, 11th hour Hughes Amendment notwithstanding.
Tamara said:Ah.
So you weren't there. Thought not.
You believe the absolute bullcrap that the the kiddies peddle these days; that everything was hunky-dory in the ol' gun rights world until Mean Ol' President Reagan came along and signed that nasty old machinegun ban.
I'm going to phrase this as gently as I can: With that post, you have handily disqualified yourself from further discussion of McClure-Volkmer, which is the only piece of pro-2nd Amendment legislation that has passed at the national level in my lifetime; the only federal legislation that has rolled back existing federal anti-gun laws, 11th hour Hughes Amendment notwithstanding.
You can't imagine what it was like before FOPA '86, kiddo.
Joliet Jake said:So what was it like for you?
You couldn't buy your ammo mailorder? I challenge that the ammo issue would have been resolved by now anyway.
You had to be really careful who you sold to as a private citizen? Nothing has changed.
You had to go the the gun store to pick up your new gun you liked at the gun show? Oh my gosh.
Somebodies full auto m16's quadrupled in value overnight and have since quadrupled again?
Maybe I just don't see what hardship or combinations of hardships you claim are greater than a complete ban of firearms and the ban of any new desgns of those firearms. Help me out. anybody want an M249? too bad. What becomes of other future designs?
I stand by my statement. Reagan stabbed all the people in the back while they weren't looking and the few people that don't complain have a monetary vested interest in the status quo because if the registry was opened again they would have nothing but old guns.
It was the FIRST total ban of firearms and Reagan signed it. He was no friend to gun owners that's for sure. Now Fred Thompson is "almost" running for president and everyone has forgot or forgiven him for his part of the "Lautenberg Amendment" that has banned millions of citizens from even owning one firearm. Not me. He is no protector of the Constitution/BoR's and alot of his other votes show just that.
Republicans like these are no friend of the people and are as bad or worse than the dems that don't protect our basic rights because they hide behind a false front. At least we know where pelosi and lautenberg stand.
Tamara said:If it's not too prying a question, how old were you in 1986?
I was around during the post-GCA '68/pre-FOPA days. I'm an RKBA absolutist, and I'd have signed McClure-Volkmer with or without the Hughes Amendment, too, because I remember what it was like before.
Joliet Jake said:That's like Reagan banning full-autos in 1986.