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Law Enforcement Officers Safety Alert:
COP KILLER GUN AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC

Life as a street cop is dangerous enough, and it just got more so. With no concern for the safety of our communities and especially not for the safety of our men and women in law enforcement, FN Herstal of Belgium has recently released on the civilian market the Five-seveN Pistol.

Since most police shootings involve a handgun, officers must be aware of this new firepower on the street. In 2003, there were 1,866 officers assaulted in the United States with firearms.

The Five-seveN looks and fires like any other handgun, and is remarkably light at only 1.5 lbs fully loaded, with the recoil of a .22 target pistol. It is the same size as a standard police issue Glock. What makes this gun different is the round it fires. The Five-seveN fires a 5.7x28mm cartridge. The manufacturer advertises that the Five-seveN “will perforate 48 layers of Kevlar up to 200 meters.” One firearms examiner reported that it will “whistle through police soft body armor,” basically making Swiss cheese out of your ballistic police body armor. The bullet leaves the gun at about 2100 fps, similar to that of a carbine rifle, and when it penetrates your vest, it will cause major damage.

Although the manufacturer claims that armor-piercing ammunition for this pistol is not available to civilians, the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence recently test fired the Five-seveN, with a 5.7 x 28 mm round purchased from a retail gun dealer, and found it easily penetrated typical threat level IIA, Kevlar police body armor. Brady Center staff purchased the Five-seveN and ammunition at a Virginia gun store.

The weapon also comes with THREE 20 ROUND MAGAZINES -- that is 60 rounds of police body armor piercing ammunition!

Easily concealable, with extremely dangerous firepower, the FN Herstal Five-seveN is a gun to be taken very seriously by law enforcement. Because of the range and accuracy of this weapon a gunman could easily hold an entire shift of law enforcement officers at bay for hours, making it almost impossible to engage with typical law enforcement service weapons.

The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence believes there is no place in our society for this weapon, except with our military and law enforcement professionals. First, be alert about this weapon and be safe; second, contact our offices to find out how you can help keep this gun off the streets, and out of the wrong hands.

CONTACT: John Shanks, Director, Law Enforcement Relations at 202-289-5791 or jshan@bradymail.org.


http://www.bradycampaign.org/ler/docs/5_7_alert.doc


I need one.:D
 
I had read the civilian round was little better than a .22. I wouldn't mind having one.
I asked my local range, and they don't allow it to be fired there. Mainly because they don't know what types of rounds people would bring in: such as reloads.
They have enough problems with lanes being down from people shooting the tracks, etc as it is.
 
40 grains @ 2100 fps! How dangerous and powerful! I mean, that cartridge is basically a....22 magnum. With a spitzer bullet.

It this all that it takes to rile the Bradyites up? A new .22 round?
 
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What I really like is how they make such a big deal about how it glides right through armor, and then downplay that such ammo isn't availible to civilians.

Also, it's a good thing they don't know about the CZ52.

It only costs around $100, and those steel jacketed bullets moving along at 1500 fps should get through IIA or maybe IIIA armor. I bet they could make a big deal about how it's military surplus BASED ON A NAZI DESIGN, and how the military surplus ammo can even cause the bore to rust and change ballistic markings.
 
morons

absolute and complete morons

total disregard for the truth

lies, damned lies, and statistics

hysteria and emotional psycho-babble




nice to know nothing has changed.
maybe I'll get one just to piss them off some more.:D
 
Boy i took a look at them a while ago and decided not to buy one. That article about talked me into getting one now.:D
 
I held one of these guns. Some people complain that the Glock is plastic. If that's the case, then this little gun is no more than a toy. And it feels like crap in my hand too. I felt soiled holding it.
 
How much you want to bet they didn't have the trama plate in the vest.

I would also like to know what brand of vest they used. How old the vest was (they do break down over time), and if it had been tested on before.

There are many types of pistol ammo that will penatrate a IIA vest. That's why they have the III, IIIA, and the IV and each trama plate has it's own rating as well.

Why don't they just come out and say it once and for all, "We just want to ban guns" and get it over with. Everyone knows their true agenda, why hide it.

Wayne
 
morons

absolute and complete morons

total disregard for the truth

lies, damned lies, and statistics

hysteria and emotional psycho-babble




nice to know nothing has changed.
maybe I'll get one just to piss them off some more.
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I could not have stated it clearer myself.

+1
 
maybe I'll get one just to piss them off some more.
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You know, I just thought about this, many of my purchases have been because of this, maybe not to piss them off but I figure if they hate it that much (like the AR's, AK's, etc..) then it must be a must have.

I will admit that I bought the AB-10 after the VPC made a big deal out of it, the same goes for the AR-15 after the ban and I made dang sure that it had a real flash suppressor (not the fake uncut one), the bayonet lug, the real pistol grip and I got one 20 and 1 30 with it and bought two more mags that had the "LEO and Military use only" engraved.

With all the "oh, it's so evil" coming from the brady bunch and vpc over the .50, UZI's, and now the FN FiveseveN, If I had the money I would actually go out and buy just because they hate them so badly.

Sometimes I wonder if the anti-groups are actually controlled by the firearms industry just to get us to buy the guns that they (the anti's) would ban. Like a firearms industry conspirecy(sp) or something.

Wayne
 
maybe I'll get one just to piss them off some more.
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I thought that too when I first heard about the FiveseveN - my philosophy is "If the Brady Demosocialist morons don't want me to have one... I WANT ONE!!!"

Since then, I have decided the almost $900 they go for would be better spent on another evil Bushmaster .223:D :D

Now, if only I could figure out a way to come up with enough extra money to get a Barrett .50 cal. rifle!!
 
Wayne! That's it! It's a Gun Company front! You're a GENIUS!!!!!

They design a new gun, and then have their shadow "gun control" organization scream and howl all about it, trying to get it banned!
It IS a conspiracy!

What a fool I have been!
How could I be so blind?
I am disgusted with myself!


Oh well, it's been a good way for me to get a lot of fun toys.:D
and progunner, I'll buy another evil .223 as well, wouldn't want to ignore your good advice!
 
I have shot the FN (with the military ammo) - I wasn't overly impressed.

I imagine that the Brady-ites would have a big problem with an AR pistol. .223 ball will go through most vests too. I can get a 30 round clip and have ninety rounds of "police body armor piercing ammunition!"

Of course it does not matter that most rifles will penetrate a standard vest - vests aren't designed to protect against rifle fire.
 
Funny they don't mention the ammunition with the performance cited in their propaganda piece is only available to Law Enforcement, Government, and Military.

Level IIA armor is just about the weakest modern armor available. 9mm +P would probably defeat a IIA vest.

Straight from the National Institute of Justice papers:

2.1 Type I (22 LR; 38 Special)

This armor protects against 22 Long Rifle High Velocity lead bullets, with nominal masses of 2.6 g (40 gr) impacting at a velocity of 320 m (1050 ft) per second or less, and 38 Special round nose lead bullets, with nominal masses of 10.2 g (158 gr) impacting at a velocity of 259 m (850 ft) per second or less. It also provides protection against most handgun rounds in calibers 25 and 32.

2.2 Type II-A (Lower Velocity 357 Magnum; 9 mm)

This armor protects against 357 Magnum jacketed soft point bullets, with nominal masses of 10.2 g (158 gr) impacting at a velocity of 381 m (1250 ft) per second or less, and 9 mm full metal jacketed bullets, with nominal masses of 8.0 g (124 gr) impacting at a velocity of 332 m (1090 ft) per second or less. It also provides protection against threats such as 45 Auto., 38 Special +P and some other factory loads in caliber 357 Magnum and 9 mm, as well as the threats mentioned in section 2.1.

1 The ballistic threat posed by a bullet depends, among other things, on its composition, shape, caliber, mass, angle of incidence, and impact velocity. Because of the wide variety of cartridges available in a given caliber, and because of the existence of hand loads, armors that will defeat a standard test round may not defeat other loadings in the same caliber. For example, an armor that prevents penetration by a 357 Magnum test round may or may not defeat a 357 Magnum round with higher velocity. In general, an armor that defeats a given lead bullet may not resist penetration by other rounds of the same caliber of different construction or configuration. The test ammunition specified in this standard represent common threats to law enforcement officers.

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2.3 Type II (Higher Velocity 357 Magnum; 9 mm)


This armor protects against 357 Magnum jacketed soft point bullets, with nominal masses of 10.2 g (158 gr) impacting at a velocity of 425 m (1395 ft) per second or less, and 9 mm full jacketed bullets, with nominal masses of 8.0 g (124 gr) impacting at a velocity of 358 m (1175 ft) per second or less. It also provides protection against most other factory loads in caliber 357 Magnum and 9 mm, as well as the threats mentioned in sections 2.1 and 2.2.


2.4 Type III-A (44 Magnum; Submachine Gun 9 mm)


This armor protects against 44 Magnum, lead semi-wadcutter bullets with gas checks, nominal masses of 15.55 g (240 gr) and impacting at a velocity of 426 m (1400 ft) per second or less, and 9 mm full metal jacketed bullets, with nominal masses of 8.0 g (124 gr) impacting at a velocity of 426 m (1400 ft) per second or less. It also provides protection against most handgun threats, as well as the threats mentioned in sections 2.1 through 2.3.


2.5 Type III ( High-Powered Rifle)


This armor protects against 7.62 mm full metal jacketed bullets (U.S. military designation M80), with nominal masses of 9.7 g (150 gr) impacting at a velocity of 838 m (2750 ft) per second or less. It also provides protection against threats such as 223 Remington (5.56 mm FMJ), 30 Carbine FMJ, and 12 gauge rifled slug, as well as the threats mentioned in sections 2.1 through 2.4.


2.6 Type IV (Armor-Piercing Rifle)


This armor protects against 30 caliber armor-piercing bullets (U.S. military designation APM2), with nominal masses of 10.8 g (166 gr) impacting at a velocity of 868 m (2850 ft) per second or less. It also provides at least single hit protection against the threats mentioned in sections 2.1 through 2.5.
 
Years ago, in the 1970s and 1980s, the Hong Kong Police let bids go for soft body armor. Their only caveat was that the armor had to resist the 7.62x25 FMJ fired from the Tokarov pistol. The only vests at that time which would provide protection were all equipped with ceramic plates.

The new Chinese round is also advertised as AP, in 9mm, as is the latest Soviet 9mm service pistol round. The Russians actually considered, and developed, new weapons using the 7.62x25 as a service round, before going to the 9x19.

With the advent of soft body armor on the battlefield, military planners are calling for, and developing, small arms ammunition capable of defeating the armor. The ability of criminal organizations, or government sponsored "freedom fighters" to access this advanced ammunition is virtually guaranteed.

The Brady Bunch, and the VPC, should concentrate on regulating the development of military weaponry through treaty and accord, rather than scream wolf every time something new appears. Seems to me that these were the same incompetent boobs who advertised the Glock as "being invisible to airport X-ray machines."

Maybe Truth in Advertising laws should be applied to them?:barf:
 
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