readers/viewers might think on the following.

alan

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Readers might have seen last night's broadcast on Public Television, of a program dealing with Walmart and the companies background. A lot of the material discussed in the program revolved about the following question. Is Walmart good for America? The answer seems to be NO, writ large, due to the fact that Walmart's procurement policies appear to drive American jobs overseas, to "low cost areas". Readers of the foregoing might be wondering as to the connection between this situation, and guns and or shooting. Stay with me for a moment, and the question might become self answering.

A number of people that I shoot pistol competition with are Glock users, I am not one such. In any event, Glocks due to the nature of the rifling pattern of their barrels, polygonal rather than conventional cut, broached or button rifled, are not particularly compatible with cast bullets, or so the story goes.

A bunch of my fellow shooters buy jacketed bullet ammunition, Winchester brand in particular, bulk packaged at about $11.00/100 plus sales tax, for 9mm Luger caliber, 115 grain. Other calibers are available too, though I don't recall what the prices might be. Personally, I shoot lead bullet reloads, my own, perhaps because I'm cheap, never-the-less, that's what I do.

Anyhow, I do not know if this Winchester brand ammunition is manufactured in the U.S. or in China, possibly a result of American jobs having been exported to that country. Perhaps Winchester has established an ammunition plant in China, I don't know. In any case, while $11.77 , the approximate price for the 100 round package of the above mentioned ammunition, including sales tax, in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania might be a pretty good price, other things being equal, are they "equal".

Might the relatively small amount of money you save on this Walmart Bargain, in the long run, turn out to be the most expensive money you ever "saved", when it turns out that your saving cost some other guy or gal their job. By the way, the money that I "save" buying at Walmart, whatever it might be that I bought there, might well turn out to have been a factor in your job disappearing too. Perhaps something to think about, something for all manner of people to think about.
 
In truth we cannot continue to send all manufacturing jobs to third world
countries and import uneducated workers from those same countries, it
is a losing gaming, no matter how you spin it in the end we will be in trouble.
Too much greed by too many on top. :barf:
 
Is Walmart good for America? The answer seems to be NO, writ large, due to the fact that Walmart's procurement policies appear to drive American jobs overseas, to "low cost areas".

Is that the same Walmart that's the biggest private employer in the United States?

I may not agree with the way they treat their low-wage employees, but the facts remain that a.) nobody is forced to work for Walmart, and b.) nobody is forced to buy at Walmart. In addition, plenty of people got to fill their fridge today because of a paycheck that says Walmart across the top.
 
Marko Kloos;

In answer to your question, yes, we are talking about the same Walmart, which you correctly describe as the largest private employer in the U.S. By the way, I suppose that that situation says a great deal about this country, and or what it has become. I'm not quite sure about exactly what it says though. I do suspect that what it says might not all that great. Also, as you noted, nobody is compelled to shop at Walmart, and many people earn their livings working there, a situation that I do not envy them.

Having gotten through the foregoing, I wll repeat myself, to the following extent. Can we afford to save all the money we save shopping at Walmart? Honestly, I don't know, but as I mentioned, the savings gained might possibly trurn out to be the most expensive savings we ever made, when and if it turns out that the money saved drives good jobs out of this country, and as I also mentioned, the money I saved, assuming that I shopped at Walmart, a mistaken assumption, might perhaps have contributed to moving your job elsewhere, perhaps my job too.

Wingman:

The problem is not simply "to much greed at the top". Have you considered the following? To little thought throughout the whole business, top, middle and bottom.
 
The problem is not simply "to much greed at the top". Have you considered the following? To little thought throughout the whole business, top, middle and bottom.

Yes, but the control remains at the top,You hear many say well we must
find ways to be competitive or lose jobs while this may be true in order to
do so in the growing world population we may need to bring our standard
of living/dollars per hour down with the rest of the world.
 
Although it is true no one is forced to work or shop at Walmart, in many rural areas, it is no longer a choice between Walmart...and across the street for a few dollars more. For instance, where we live, if I want to buy any clothing, or a softball, or a sleeping bag, then it is Walmart or drive over an hour to another shop and pay several dollars more(or order online). While we still have a grocery store and a small hardware store, all else has been run out of town. It is of course OUR fault...if everyone would have refused to shop Walmart...but then a large part of the community is financially stressed and in all honesty, oblivious to the effect of their patronage.
Having said that, it should be noted that because of Wamart, now other businesses are moving in. While the mom-and-pops are gone, other national chains are eyeing the area, so in a way, Walmart draws in its own competition...eventually.
My chief complaint with Walmart and much of the "other" national chains is the fact that the majority of products are produced outside the U.S.
I have noticed that presently, because of the recent election, our state of war...people seem to be more aware of this problem.
QUESTION: If a large company were to make the bold decision to only sell American-Made, advertise heavily, even admitting that buying in their store means paying slightly higher prices...would the American people go for it? I know a lot of people who claim that they would. It would take enormous capital on the front end, preferably from an already exisiting company, and the willingness to take a real chance...but personally, I think it could possibly work.
Am I dreaming???
 
a.) nobody is forced to work for Walmart,
Ask those who live in small towns where the Walmart has put the other employment choices out of business.

It is possible for capitalism to eat itself. When the consumers no longer have the extra funds to consume, even the biggest bargain is priced to high. Walmart is a step in that direction - it puts less into an area than it removes and destroys whatever economic equilibrium might have existed before.

One can get Walmart type deals on ammo by buying in bulk or shopping around some. Even better deals are available out there.
 
alan said:
In any case, while $11.77 , the approximate price for the 100 round package of the above mentioned ammunition, including sales tax, in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania might be a pretty good price, other things being equal, are they "equal".

Hey, a fellow Allegheny Guy. Well, Beaver, but close :P

Not sure if the question here is about Walmart or winchester, but I personally wont get the Winchester jacketed rounds again. They were the only ones of several kinds I tried that caused minor jams in my Taurus.

As far as Wal Mart Goes....Southpark Episode 809-Something Wall-Mart This Way Comes.

After the Wall*Mart comes into town, closing smaller buisnesses, the boys decide it has to be dealt with.

Stan: We don't want your store in our town; we come to destroy you.
Kyle: Where's the heart?
Wall*Mart Manager: To find the heart of Wall*Mart, one must first ask oneself, "Who is it that asked the question?" [the boys look at each other again]
Stan: Mr. I'm asking the question.
Wall*Mart Manager: Ah, yes, but who are you?
Stan: Stan Marsh. Now, where's the heart?
Wall*Mart Manager: Ah. You know the answer, but not the question!
Kyle: The question is, "Where is the heart?"
Wall*Mart Manager: Very well. You want to see the heart of Wall*Mart? It lies beyond that plasna-screen television. [the boys look to their right and walk over. The open a small door marked "EMPLOYEES ONLY" and see themselves in a mirror]
Stan: It's a mirror.
Wall*Mart Manager : Yes, don't you see? That is the heart of Wall*Mart. You, the consumer. I take may forms: Wall*Mart, Kay*Mart, Target, but I am one single entity: Desire!
 
It is possible for capitalism to eat itself. When the consumers no longer have the extra funds to consume, even the biggest bargain is priced to high.

10.4, greed can kill, I just had a conversation with a person who is ready
to retire who owns a fair amount of stock in a local company which continues
to go up, his feeling on the subject was "I don't really care how many become
unemployed or what the owner has to do in order for my stock to continue
to rise" Greed it is ugly and at some point we all lose from it. :barf:
 
WalMart

Consider the old story about the young lady who, over drinks, admitted to a gentleman that she would probably commit adultery for a million dollars but was incensed when he asked if she would do the same thing for twenty.
“What do you think I am?” She asked angrily.
“You’ve already established that,” he replied, “now we’re just haggling over your price.”

“Patriots” who shop at Walmart fall into a similar classification. They talk a good game, espousing high moral character and an all-consuming love of their country, but they still find reasons to send their money to China. Any walk down any aisle in a Walmart store will find dozens of labels marked “Made in China.” Sure, you’re paying the wages of the employees who work there, but a large percentage of your money goes to buy the products from the manufacturer. In our increasingly polarized world, with international public opinion either strongly in favor of U.S. policies or just as strongly against them, only a hard-core blissninny will argue that things will always be as they are and will never be better or worse. Since international relations can only be better or worse —two possible choices --- we have a 50-50 chance that TSWHTF and all that money they “saved” will come back at them, or their children, in a very unpleasant form.
I am not a rich man. I’m retired and live on a fixed income. I could probably ‘save’ a lot of money by buying at Walmart. I don’t. I won’t even go in the store anymore. I haven’t been able to convince my wife and daughter to follow my lead yet and I may never do so, but I damned sure won’t go in there.
They haven’t met my price yet. I doubt they ever will.
 
We have to deregulate and get rid of import tariffs so that scientific progress and industrial production pick up and so that we can lower our cost of living.

Unforunately, getting rid of any source of income for the government is painful when we have a deficit of nearly 7.5 trillion and projected budget deficits for the next four years.
 
*sigh*
Somehow these threads lose quite a bit when you consider that they are created on:
A keyboard made in China, attached to a PC made in Manila and viewed on a monitor made in Korea running software mostly debugged and written in India.
 
i have a friend that is currently involved in a lawsuit against walmart for not paying overtime, forced overtime that is, they just never paid and wouldn't even offer an excuse. ?????????????? any way i live in dormont, you are in beaver?
harry
 
Hal said:
...keyboard made in China, attached to a PC made in Manila and viewed...

That post made me curious. I looked at the slide on my pistol. Taurus Int Mfg.-Miani, FL.-USA and a little further down..... Made in Brazil.
Another "Half-here-half-there" deal I guess.

(Yes, Beaver Co. PA-Not ten minutes from Cranberry Twp in Allegheny.)
 
The export of American jobs falls on the shoulders of Stock Holders and CEO’s.
To constantly show quarterly profits CEO’s must find ways to cut costs or the price of a stock share drops. They won’t have jobs for long and investors will move on, leaving Company X in a belly-up position.

Those that have invested wisely over the years will soon be the only group that will be buying product from any country including this one. When Reagan said, “trickle down” he underestimated the greed of Wall Street and of CEO’s that want to keep their jobs or retire wealthy.

At some point in the not to distant future as manufacturing continues to move out all that will be left, as Greenspan said, is “employment in the service industry”. The only people that will be able to afford the plumber, electrician or similar skilled service will be current day stockholders. The other jobs category has something to do with French fries.

Pick any industry, auto, steel, pharmaceuticals, plastics, all are in transition and major portions have left. The list is huge and the reality of where we all will be in 15 years and at what income level has to bring some concern to anyone that isn’t a CEO or knee deep in stocks.

In my small town, not far from Cranberry, Pa. the wise business people closed their doors in a planned fashion a month before WalMart opened. My town has 8,955 residents and if you include the surrounding area (an 8 mile radius)it leaps all the way up to 19,000. I'm guess'in thats all walMart needed to open a Super Store. 12 businesses are gone. I must now drive 3 minutes to WalMart or 45 minutes to get to small local businesses. Last week another business moved to china, closing it's doors. Thats 5 this year alone and we have lost over 4,000 jobs locally in the last 3 years.
 
I'm not so worried about the gun being made overseas or the ammo either. I'm worried that everything is being made overseas. America wasn't made in Japan, it was made, brick by brick, by Americans in America. Whether the fault is with CEOs or ordinary people looking for a short-term bargain, more than jobs are being exported. We are, in a very real sense, exporting the soul of America when we send our money overseas.
Sure, our cars are made by a Japanese company, our electronic goodies in China and India and we eat vegies from Chile, Mexico and Australia. Unless you happen to live in the Alaskan bush and raise your own vegetables and kill your own meat, you can't get away from supporting all those other countries. What concerns me is--- where will it all end? Basically, this is a very nice handbasket, but have you noticed the temperature rising?
 
America was made brick by brick by people!


However, those people were all imported from foreign countries. :D
 
Wal mart

My, my, is this the same Wal-mart that only a few years ago, had signs all over their stores and television ads, telling us how many jobs they were creating in America and to "Buy Wal-Mart to help keep jobs in the USA"?
Surely not, such gross hypocracy is not practiced by real life CEO's of large corporations, or is it?
:barf:
Don
 
Charley wrote, in part, the following:

It is of course OUR fault...if everyone would have refused to shop Walmart...but then a large part of the community is financially stressed and in all honesty, oblivious to the effect of their patronage.

The following might be a poor example to cite however while some, perhaps many might be oblivious to the effect of their playing Russian Roulette, if that loaded chamber comes up, they are dead just the same.

As to the price advantage to the purchaser of buying Walmart's stuff a great deal of which comes from China and other low wage areas, I wonder as to exactly how much cheaper it is than were U.S. made products for which foreign made items substitute. I've seen imported clothing items that were made in low wage areas, and some of this stuff comes with U.S. Wage Level Prices On It, which indicates to me that there is one whole hell of a mark-up, or a series of mark-ups involved.

As to Walmart having driven everyone else out of business, without the "cooperation" of customers in ther area, I doubt that that would have happened, and once again, I'm given to inquire as to how much lower the prices actually are. Let's forget about all the fancy televised ads, re this aspect.
 
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