RE: Steyr? who uses? Battle tested?

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I was just sitting here musing about all the times we have had a "what would be your battle rifle?" or "what would you arm your army with?" I always see the FAL, M-14, M-16, AK type. On the outskirts some of us have suggested the newer G36 but it is always accompanied with the "it isn't battle tested."

Who uses the Steyr AUG?
Has it been battle/combat/mud tested?
results?

Are other bullpup designs battle/combat/mud tested?


I have always thought that the G3 or FAL would make a good standard rifle. Good heavy bullet to reach out there. But then I always remember that for the most part the majority of our armies probably would do better with a catridge between the .223 and the .308. More control/less recoil than the .308 but with more punch the .223.
 
The AUG was designed for and adopted by the Austrian military. Ireland, Australia and either Oman or the UAE have also adopted it (as well as some other countries I don't recall at the moment). When the Australian military was deployed to East Timor recently their AUG's (designated F88's in Australia) went with them. Not sure how it's held up there, but I have heard that the lack of a true trigger guard has caused some problems with misfires.

Hope that helps some.
 
I've used an Austeyr for 3 weeks while doing Australian Army recruit training. So while I haven't been in combat of course, I have still used it.

Positive aspects.
-Easy to strip and clean. Much easier than I thought it would be. I was able to strip and reassemble the Aug off by heart after one lesson on stripping, and most of the other recruits were in the same position.
-Compact and light of course.
-1.5 scope isn't brilliant but its helpful.
-Can easily be changed for left handed shooters.
-Lower recoil than I expected.
-Has a button on the base of the trigger to prevent full-auto fire if desired.
-See through mags.

Negative aspects.
-If you stab a hard object like a tree trunk with the bayonet attached don't be surprised if the barrel bends...
-The barrel gets damn hot, damn quickly. Once fired 12 or so blank rounds during a lesson at a slow semi-auto pace, accidently touched the barrel and instantly pulled my hand away. It wouldn't have burnt my hand in any way if I held it there, but it was unexpected.
-Because the barrel heats quickly you have no choice but to utilise the forward adjustable hand grip, problem is its damned uncomfortable if you have large hands. The ergonomic design didn't work for me, and the grip itself was to short.
-While its great that the design of the crosshairs allow you to instantly tell if a human target is at a certain distance, because there is no central point to the crosshair just a bold circle with four lines pointing ourward
(i.e. |
--O--
| (very rough eg.)) aiming for exact points on the targets required a bit of guess work.
-Trigger guard/pistol grip design was definately not intended for people with small hands. I have large hands so it wasn't a problem for me, but I noticed people with small hands, especially females, having difficulty with the 3rd firearm safety rule. And the lack of some sort of rubber grip on the pistol handle was slightly annoying in warm weather.
-Although I never witnessed it, its apparently easy to break the bolt cocking handle on the side of the rifle. Especially if your scaling walls etc. while holding the rifle. And the fact that in order to adequatly see if the weapon is on safe when placed on the ground, because the safe is on the other side you have to rest the weapon on the cocking handle itself. Which probably increases the chance of it breaking.


So overall while it does have its faults, if its all you had in a firefight as well as fragmenting 5.56 ammo it will do the job.
So I'd say that along with the M-16, as long as you keep it clean and so forth it'll be ok.

However one recruit in my room had done recruit training 10 years ago and was returning to the Army. The first time he trained he used the SLR which I take it was the Australian FN FAL. Having used both he preferred the SLR in that it was a stronger, more rugged rifle. No plastic for him. :) Also he appreciated the fact that in order to clean a SLR with a barrel full of mud all that was required was to fire the rifle. Or so he said.




[Edited by Deadman on 06-05-2001 at 10:58 PM]
 
" but I have heard that the lack of a true trigger guard has caused some problems with misfires. "

The one corparal drill instructor for my platoon said that while he was at East Timor he was accidently shot at three times because of misfires, each time the bullet landed within one metre of him. So to say that he was sort of paranoid about weapon safety during weapon lessons was an understatement.
 
In the Austrian Army we learned this trick:
To be sure the rifle is safe put an empty magazine through the trigger guard before laying it on the ground, so it doesn´t rest on the cocking handle.

It´s not a great rifle (I like the Stg58 more), but it works just what ist was desugned for: an easy to shot rugged rifle for the "mass" of the recruits/soldiers...
 
For those experienced with the AUG. How do you change the magazine without using both hands??? I cannot push up on the release and pull down on the magazine with the same hand at the same time but that seems to be what is required.
 
I remember reading somewhere that one of the Austrialian solders was killed (shot in the head I believe) in East Timor when on of the AUG in the armor vehicle went off by accident.

For people with small hand like me where do you rest your trigger finger on this rifle? Just curious.
 
" For people with small hands like me where do you rest your trigger finger on this rifle? Just curious. "

Taco - hold it out in mid air? :)
You could elavate your index finder about 30 degrees and rest it on the main body of the rifle I suppose. I'm not quite sure what people of smaller stature did exactly.

F4GIB - I suppose you'll just have to practice wrapping your fingers around the mag and pressing the mag release button with your thumb. With the rifle supported between your elbow and the side of your ribcage and one hand on the pistol grip it should be easy enough to pull the mag away. We simply had no choice, and weren't instructed to change a magazine with two hands.

Alex T - Good idea. I just don't think I'll be to confident trying to tell a drill instructor what to do. :)

And as far as misfires go, the Aug has a drop safety mechanism in the trigger mechanism, but the drill instructors gave a strong impression that you shouldn't bet your life on it.
 
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