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Politics aside, how would you rank order (from best to worst) the pistols (NOT revolvers) from the following companies:<OL TYPE=A><LI> Beretta
<LI> Browning/FN
<LI> Colt (just before they stopped selling to the public -- and we're only talking about their pistol line, 1911, 1991, Pocket Nine, etc.)
<LI> Glock
<LI> H&K
<LI> Kimber
<LI> Para-Ordnance
<LI> Ruger
<LI> SIG
<LI> S&W (remember, politics asside and only their pistol line -- don't throw their revolvers into your decision)
<LI> Walther</OL>Did I miss any that you would rank high up there?

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Taking the entire pistol product line into account, for average reliability, I'd rate them:

1) H&K
2) SIG
3) Glock
4) Beretta
5) S&W
6) Browning
7) Ruger
8) Kimber
9) Colt
10) Walther
11) Para-Ordnance

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FUD, you forgot Taurus and Steyr.

I think a comparison of "pistols" covers too much territory. Company A might make the best pocket pistols while Company B might make the best target pistols.

How about a comparison of, say, .40 S&W service pistols? Specify a barrel length of 4 to 5.5 inches, a magazine capacity of at least 8 rounds, and a maximum price of $700 per pistol.
 
Fud,

Another excellent question. All of these manufacturers are good; many are excellent. Here are my opinions -- however, I stress they are strictly judgments based on more on my perceptions than on hard analyses or detailed information:

H&K
Sig
Kimber
Glock
Browning/FN
Springfield (not included in your list, but IMHO worthy of consideration)
Beretta
Kahr (not included in your list, but IMHO worthy of consideration)
Walther
Ruger
CZ (not included in your list, but IMHO worthy of consideration)
Smith
Para-Ordnance
Colt (based ONLY on your "immediately before they stopped selling to the public" criteria)

I agree that you've captured most of the affordable, high-quality brands.

Regards.


[This message has been edited by RWK (edited August 21, 2000).]
 
I'm gonna pick up with the "new & improved" list and go from there... But I'm going to seperate and NOT RATE the ones I have no experience with. Not really much to do here, you guys are pretty much right on...

H&K
Sig
Glock
Kahr
Browning/FN
Walther
Beretta
Taurus
Ruger
Smith & Wesson (this is not a political thing. You said "entire line", and they ARE responsible for the Sigma series :) )
Colt (their semi's were AWEFUL IMVHO)


I have no experience with:
Para-Ordnance
Springfield
CZ
Kimber

This is largely based on personal experience and preference. If your pistol is low on my list, but above S&W, I'm still saying it's a great gun. If it's below S&W... remember, it's still only an opinion.
 
Owning both a Taurus and a Kahr, I feel sort of senile leaving them off the list -- thanks for the catch. Father Time must be catching up to me. What is it that they say, the mind is the first thing to go?
 
I think that all of the manufacturers you have listed produce quality pistols. Personally I would rate the Browning/FN on top followed very closely by S&W. Specificaly, the S&W 99, 40 cal.
 
This is tough!! If you are in my 9 position of above you are a very good pistol and you have nothing to be ashamed of. This is my list:
1. Browning
2. Walther
3. Kimber
4. Springfield Armory
5. Sig
6. Glock
7. Kahr
8. Colt (my Officer Model is sweet)
9. Ruger (best values out there)
10. S&W (I like my CS45 and enjoyed a friend's 3913)
11. Taurus
12. CZ
13. Beretta (no experience)
14. H&K (no experience)
15. Steyr (no experience)

Regards, Richard.
 
this is an interesting post.

1. Glock
2. Beretta (but i feel they're even with glock
3. Sig
Kahr (not included)
4. HK
5. S&W
6. Kimber
Springfield (not included)
7. Browning
8. Walther
9. Para-Ordanance
10. Ruger
11. Colt
 
1. Glock
2. Ruger
3. Beretta
4. H&K
5. Walther
6. SIG
7. S&W
8. Browning/FN
9. Kimber
10. Para-Ordnance
11. Colt



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Actually, the mind is the second thing to go, but I forget the first - :) :) :).

I only have hands-on (i.e I have oned) experience with SIG, H&K, Beretta, Kimber, Walther. Of those I have owned, I'd rate teh SIG and H&K at the top, closely followed by the Berettas, Kimbers, and way last, Walther (I had an Interarms Jomamatic PPK/S POS). I have shot a few Glocks, they seem well made, but I just can't warm up to that mushy trigger.
M2
 
For me the list would be considering price, function, etc for defense/combat use.

Glock
Kel Tec
Springfield's [1911]
SIG

Glocks only failing IMHO are the dang mag's.
The Kel Tec's lack some polish but are in a size weight class of their own for the P 11 and P 32.
I like 1911's, the first handgun I ever shot, and only one for a couple of years, was a Colt Delta in 10mm. But they are not as durable as a Glock, and they are more expensive. If I lived in an Open Carry state I would pick up a 1911 post haste, for concealment I think the Glock's and Kel Tecs are better real world choices [smaller & lighter] and you can carry a Glock & a Kel Tec for the same $'s and ounces that a 1911 would take.
 
FUD,

Interesting post, but also very tough chore considering the wide product line of some of these manufacturers. That being said:

1.Glock
2.Sig
3.Beretta
4.H&K
5.Walther
6.S&W
7.Ruger
8.Kimber
9.Browning
10.Colt
11.Para-Ordnance

Actually IMHO the first 5 are probably tied for 1st. CZ, Springfield, and Taurus should also fit somewhere. I just went with your original list. BTW, what's your ranking?

Gene
 
Best at what?

Reliability?

Beretta and SIG tops, 1911 at the bottom, but still more than good enough to bet your life on.

Accuracy?

Out of the box, the same. Tuned, any 1911.

Durability?

Glock, Ruger (polymer and alloy), CZ, 1911, USP.

Customer service/support?

Glock, Ruger hard to beat. Beretta, SIG, S&W pretty good. HK is the worst by far.

Who is kicking everybody's butt in sales all over the world? Glock. Gotta be a reason? :)

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[This message has been edited by BrokenArrow (edited August 23, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FUD:
Politics aside, how would you rank order (from best to worst) the pistols (NOT revolvers) from the following companies:<OL TYPE=A><LI> Beretta
<LI> Browning/FN
<LI> Colt (just before they stopped selling to the public -- and we're only talking about their pistol line, 1911, 1991, Pocket Nine, etc.)
<LI> Glock
<LI> H&K
<LI> Kimber
<LI> Para-Ordnance
<LI> Ruger
<LI> SIG
<LI> S&W (remember, politics asside and only their pistol line -- don't throw their revolvers into your decision)
<LI> Walther</OL>Did I miss any that you would rank high up there?

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Here is what I would rate them based on value, reliability, durability, and quality(best being on top)

1. Kimber (best gun at the price)
2(tie). Glock (the 45 Glocks 21/30 are as accurate as many Kimbers)
2(tie). Sig Sauer (excellent pistols, I question the durability)
3. Ruger
4. H&K
5. Browning
6. Kahr
7. Taurus (the Taurus "Beretta" clones are better than the original Berettas IMO)
8. Beretta
9. S&W
10. Para-Ord
11. Walther (almost as bad as Colt)
12. Colt (Worst quality I have seen in their price range)

[This message has been edited by Quantum Singularity (edited August 23, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by Quantum Singularity (edited August 23, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by Quantum Singularity (edited August 23, 2000).]
 
Just before they (Colt) stopped selling to the public? You mean when the Patterson factory closed in the 1830's?
 
My own order:

1) Sig, HK, Kimber, Para-Ord, Colt, Beretta, Ruger, Browning, S&W, Walther and Glock.
2) Sling Shot
3) Rubber Band on a finger
4) Pointed finger in a jacket poket
5) A boot to the head
 
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