I want to thank those that responded to my problem with the long LOP on the factory Winchester M-70 Plastic stock on an Classic Stainless. I thought an easy solution was changing the very thick butt pad but discovered it appears more expensive than it is worth. I am now considering a Ramline stock which advertises the LOP can easily be shortened. It seems either one hates or loves Ramline stocks. I want a very light, very, very stiff stock where I can shorten or get a 13" LOP. My factory Winchester plastic forearm is rather flexible and is not free floated. There are many choices but most are quite expensive and charge more to custom fit the stock to the rifle: are they worth $3-500+? Are they really that much better than a Ramline to justify the price? I would appreciate any comments. Thanks. Flashman