Rainy Day Shooting - Rubber bullets in the garage - w/ pics

btefft

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Rainy Day Shooting - Rubber bullets in the garage - w/ pics

Hey guys, I had a blast this morning. See, its raining here in Ga and I was bored. I got me some of those rubber bullets from Midway. All you need is a case, a primer and a rubber bullet and you're set to shoot.

The first pic is of the inside of my garage. The target is a little mailing envelope I colored a blue dot on. I sat in another wheelchair out under the eve so I wouldn't get rained on. And fired 6 times at the blue dot.
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#1 and #2 are my 06 Harley Road King w/ sidecar.

#3 is my shelf of gun powders for reloading.

#4 is my Hornady LnL Progressive press and Lyman tumblers.

#5 are my fishing poles - I really like to fish.

#6 is my PVC pipe homemade target stand and envelop target.

#7 is my son's customized (he did all the work on it hiimself) Harley 1200 Sportster dirt bike, which he discovered is far too powerful to be a dirt bike. Now, it's a street bike.

The next pic is a closer-up of the envelop target. Those rubber bullets shoot darn good! I was probably about 15 - 20 ft away, I guess I need to measure it. Behind the target is a wet blue towel. The bullets hit it and fall into a box below.
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The next pic is my Ruger SBH .44 Mag.
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#1 and #8 are the Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 Mag wihjt Millet Red Dot scope

#2 is a Lee non-caliber-specific (universal) de-priming die (I use it in my
Hornady single stage Classic LnL press to knock out the spent primer and seat a new one.

#3 and #7 are two 44 Spl cases I modified (drilled out the primer hole with a 3/16 inch drill bit) - I used a magic marker to put on a green band so I would NEVER load one of these babies w/ gun powder and a lead bullet - that could mess your whole day up.

#4 and #5 are .44 caliber rubber bullets. They are simply big, hollow rubber bullets. You put them in the case by hand. Bullet #4 is resting bottom up, #5 is right side up.

And finally, here is a pic of 38 and 44 cases, two unmodified and two modified for the rubber bullets.
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Case #1 is a .357 case, not modified. I'll use it for my true reloads.

Case #2 is a 38 Spl case modified with a 1/8 inch drill bit. At first I used the 3/16 (like I did for the 44 case) and the primer fell right through. The case in this pic has been drilled with a 9/64 inch bit. I want as much of the power of the primer to pass through and hit the bullet.

Case #3 is a modified 44 Spl case - I drilled out primer hole with 3/16 inch bit. This is one of the cases I used to shoot the 6-shot group you saw in pic #2. Later, I discovered that this case would not shoot a magnum primer, because the 3/16 inch hole is too large - so, I modified some more 44 mag cases w/ a 1/8 inch bit - they worked fine.

Case #4 is a regular .44 Mag case, like those I reload.

It is imperative that you don't not get these cases mixed up.
Never, never shoot a full power loaded round in one of the rubber bullet modified cases.

Didn't mean for this thread to turn into a rubber bullet clinic. I tried to anticipate your questions as I typed this.

Hack
 
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ElectricHellfire.

And the rubber bullets can be shot over and over again. Most time consuming part is de-priming and re-priming the case.

And its not loud enough to upset the neighbors, only a little loader than the cap guns I used to play with.

I'm gonna get some magnum primers and compare them to my regular ones with the chrony.

Hack
 
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I love the idea of shooting at home. The only thing stopping me is my absolute paronoia about accidently inserting live rounds into the magazine. That would take all the fun out of it.
 
#1 Moses, I'll get back to you with a link. I got mine from Midway, 50 for 11.99, if I remember correctly. But then I found some a bit cheaper, but I didn't bookmark it. Give me time and I'll find it again.


poptime, I don't think its remotely possible to mix 'em up. The rubber bullets are inserted by hand and only have about 1/16 - 1/8 sticking out of the case. The biggest concern I had was taking a modified rubber bullet case and loading it with powder and a real bullet - bad idea. That's why I colored mine, so that would not happen.

Hack
 
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I'm sure it is quite impossible to mix them up, I'm just not comfortable with it. I will keep my shooting practice at the range or gravel pit. I really hate the word "oops.":)
 
rainy day

Great. I modified and loaded a box of .38s a year ago and have not shot them. Gotta find them and give it a go. What condition were the bullets in when you recovered them? What was penetration like on that envelope? (How much past it did they go?) How far were you from the target?
Pete
 
#1 Moses, and others who read this, here are some links to the 38, 44 and 45 cal rubber bullets.

Midway:
http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/Default.aspx#x-ring rubber bullets____-_1-2-4_8-16-32

Meister:
Or, you can go to the source:
http://www.meisterbullets.com/asccustompages/products.asp?cartID=&affID=&categoryid=45&navParent=0
this price includes shipping, Midway's does not. I'll get more from Meister, if I ever need more. They're no going to wear out, But I can see losing some. I didn't buy any 45 cal, because they won;t cycle the slide and I didn't want that hassle, but I may get some anyway.


darkgael, The rubber bullets show no damage at all from firing them. I put a towel behind the envelop target. The bullets passed through the envelop, struck the towel (it was wet at the time, left a nice imprint on the towel and dropped into a box I placed on the floor.

I'm going to the gun shop and buy some magnum primers for comparison to regular pistol primers. I'm going to chrony them today.

Hack
 
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That's great. When I was a kid, we used to shoot Speer plastic practice bullets in my dad's .38 snub nosed service revolver in our basement.

Tons of fun.
 
Okay, I got some data for you all.

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6 of those rubber bullets weigh a total of 78.1 gr (so, one weighs 13.017 gr)

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I chronied the 6 that I weighed, here are the speeds:
395.4
393.5
390.4
372.8
412.2
and
414.6

Avg = 396.48 fps

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Widest span is 2.984 in.
Diameter of one bullet hole is 0.430 in.
Group size comes out to be 2.554 in.
Shooting was unsupported.
Target 20 Ft away, chrony was 10 ft away.

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Magnum primer report:

None of them fired when the hammer fell, not a one! Upon examination, I saw that all mag primers had a shallow dimple on them and they had been pushed deeper into the case. I figured that's why they didn't go fire.

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Here are five of the ones that had shallow dimples and didn't fire.

It would be easy to check my theory. I took 4 of my 44 mag cases, and drilled them out with a smaller drill bit - 1/8 inches (if you remember, I originally used a 3/16 in. bit - now I know that is too big.) I put primers in and all fired. None backed out, which would have caused the cylinder to bind.

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On the left is one of my first ones (3/16 hole) and the one on the right is a new one (1/8 hole). I guess mag primers have a harder surface than regular primers. All the regular fired, even with the bigger hole.

So, I'm going to re-drill new cases to 1/8 inch.

Hack
 
I finally got around to chronying the magnum primers, I did indeed get more velocity, here are the results:

I was shooting them out of my Ruger Super Blackhawk. 7 1/2 inch barrel.

Rubber bullet mass was 13 gr, on average.

Regular Primers.........Magnum Primers
395.4 fps.................558.6 fps
393.5......................506.5
390.4......................477.3
372.8......................517.8
412.2......................519.5
414.6......................493.3

396.5 avg................512.2 avg

Magnum primers increased rubber bullet velocity by 115.7 fps on the average (22.5 % increase)

I didn't do anything with POI, but I'd bet I have a flatter trajectory with the magnum primers.

Only drawback I noticed was the mouths of my cases were dirtier, but I guess that is to be expected.

Hack
 
Very interesting, and a well-done write-up & photos, Hack. Thanks for posting.

The only thing I wonder about is why bother going to this trouble instead of just getting a pellet gun? I guess one still has the joy of manipulating and firing a real gun. Pellets are cheaper than primers, but the initial investment of a quality pellet gun ($50-100?) will buy a lot of primers and rubber bullets. There's also the CO2 to consider, if one goes that route.

How did you size the cases before inserting the rubber bullets? Were they full-length resized, or were they just loaded after having shot them with real ammo? You didn't mention sizing them, but it seems like they might fit your chamber a bit tight if they had previously fired real ammo.

Edit: Happy 100th post!
 
Smaug,

I went to the trouble because when I took my XD45, 1911 and G27 to the range, all my shots grouped well, but to the left of the target. I wanted to work on my trigger pull. The rubber bullets have really helped in that regard. A pellet gun would not have helped me. I needed to shoot my actual pistol. In only have rubber bullets in 38/357, 44 and 45 calibers. I have to cycle the auto's slide by hand, but they feed okay when I release it. I have the easiest time and most fun in my 44 Blackhawk, though

I resized my cases full length as I knocked out the spend primers. You're right, the full-lenth resized cases slipped into the chambers in the cylinder quite easily.


Hack
 
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Just be aware that the primers (and therefore the discharge smoke/particulates) contain lead. Some studies indicate that most of the inhaled lead from shooting indoors comes from the primer material.
 
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