Everyone: I'm interested in learning if many instructors (on this forum, or not) teach the outboard roll (allowing gravity to be an aid) while utilizing the "overhand" rack during a TRB/A (assess). This would be for both the 1911 and the AR15/M16. At this point I've never taken a class (just done some 3-gun matches) for the AR but have read and studied Jim Crews excellent, Some of the Answer, Urban Rifle, and also viewed a Gunsite Rifle tape. If I can recall, Crews didn't specifically show the outboard roll, but the Gunsite tape did. Does Gunsite still teach this method? It doesn't seem to take any longer than just straight back.
I've taken taken handgun classes from Walt Marshall (AWT, Gunsite, and now Civilshield) and Don Lazzerini (LE SRT instructor, RTT-reactive tactical training) and although I can't now recall if Walt showed the outboard roll, Lazzerini did.
On a similar note, for any of you LFI trained shooters - I read that Ayoob doesn't teach the overhand rack, but instead a method of the slingshot. He writes that when doing it you don't only utilize just the left thumb and forefinger (for a right hander of course) but more fingers for strength. I can't quite picture this. Does he teach rolling the handgun over so it's parallel to the ground, ejection port up, so more of the hand can be utilized without getting into an awkward position? If so, then gravity certainly can't be of any help here. Could someone please "spell it out" for me on Ayoob's rack sequence.
Does any racking method (used to clear a malfunction) with an outboard roll, which places the ejection port downward momentarily, have any merit, or not?
What say you, forum instructors?
Have at it please, this has been bugging me lately.
How's about a poll: Yea or Nay whether or not you use the "outboard roll" during the malf. clearance.
EricO
I've taken taken handgun classes from Walt Marshall (AWT, Gunsite, and now Civilshield) and Don Lazzerini (LE SRT instructor, RTT-reactive tactical training) and although I can't now recall if Walt showed the outboard roll, Lazzerini did.
On a similar note, for any of you LFI trained shooters - I read that Ayoob doesn't teach the overhand rack, but instead a method of the slingshot. He writes that when doing it you don't only utilize just the left thumb and forefinger (for a right hander of course) but more fingers for strength. I can't quite picture this. Does he teach rolling the handgun over so it's parallel to the ground, ejection port up, so more of the hand can be utilized without getting into an awkward position? If so, then gravity certainly can't be of any help here. Could someone please "spell it out" for me on Ayoob's rack sequence.
Does any racking method (used to clear a malfunction) with an outboard roll, which places the ejection port downward momentarily, have any merit, or not?
What say you, forum instructors?
Have at it please, this has been bugging me lately.
How's about a poll: Yea or Nay whether or not you use the "outboard roll" during the malf. clearance.
EricO