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Thinking on a Remington 700 Police in .300 Winchester Magnum. Anyone have any experiences with them?
Than you. Recoil doesn't sound too bad compared to others. Ammo hovers around $0.80 per round for the cheapest stuff. I don't currently reload. Uses would be hunting pigs, long range elk/deer, and recreational target shooting. I have always wanted this gun. I know it's not so practical but ever since handling my friends dad's .300 Win Mag I've wanted one.A Remington 700 Police is just an M700 with phosphated metal and an Al block bedded, H-S Precision composite stock(Kevlar and fiberglass). Weighs 9 pounds. 1 in 10 twist, 26" barrel.
Pretty much the same thing as their M700 Long Range. Difference is who made the stock and the finish on the metal. The latter is easily altered.
Recoil of a 180 grain bullet at 2960 FPS out of an 8.5 pound rifle is 25.9 ft-lbs.
Recoil of a 180 grain bullet at 2960 FPS out of an 8.5 pound rifle is 25.9 ft-lbs.
Ammo hovers around $0.80 per round for the cheapest stuff.
The 308 has 14% more energy than the 6.5 CM.Everything else between the two is pretty much a push out to 4-500 yards.14% more energy is significant ........especially in elk country.Anything magnum is declining in popularity. Out to 500 yards a 308 does the same thing with around 14 ft lbs energy from the same weight rifle. The 6.5 Creedmoor has very similar trajectory out to 2000 yards as 300 WM with about 10 ft lbs recoil. 26 ft lbs of recoil is tolerable for a few rounds. But after 10-20 you'll know. That is about the daily limit for most people.
That would be a mild load, 3050-3100 fps is more likely, with recoil closer to 30-31 ft lbs.
Either 308 or the 6.5, and about 2 dozen others will take deer, elk, or hogs out to 500 yards. The 300 starts to gain an advantage past 500. BTDT, sold the 300 and wouldn't go back.
Bullets from just a few years ago sucked compared to today. It isn't how fast they leave the muzzle, but how fast they are going when they impact. Newer high BC bullets can leave the muzzle much slower than before, and still impact down range with more speed since they are more aerodynamic. With old school bullets the only way to get better performance at extended ranges was more and more muzzle velocity. Which meant more and more recoil and blast.
Modern high BC 180 gr bullets fired from a 30-06 will surpass old school 180 gr RN bullets fired from 300 WM in as little as 75 yards, from a 308 in as little as 175 yards.
Don't waste your time with anything that cheap. Decent factory loads for 300 WM will cost you $30-$50 for a box and can go up from there.
Decent factory loads for 308 or 6.5 Creedmoor start at $15 for a box and you can get some of the best loads for around $30.
As a target round the 6.5 matches the 300 WM out to 2000, the 308 starts to run out of gas at 1100-1200 yards. As a hunting cartridge the 308 or 6.5 will take elk size game out to around 500 and smaller game much farther. How far can you shoot?
The facts I find both interesting and rather counter intuitive is how many of the 6.5mm rounds will overtake the 300 WM at longer distances.
The .308 won't carry 1500 lbs of energy for elk beyond 400 yards or so.
The Win Mag will extend that dramatically. The rifle is intended to do more than ring steel.
I also saw a recent press release where the US Marines have replaced the 308 with the 300WM as their sniper rifle. Go figure. * * * They are no longer using Remington, but; have gone with a high end clone of the 700. You tax dollars at work, each rifle $12,000.
Based on the OP 2nd post one of 6.5mm would be a much better choice. The rifle could be a lot lighter for those hunting roles. The weight is great for recreational target shooting but; it is just terrible curse for hunting.
168 Nosler ABLR @ 2900:
2030 FPS 1500 ft lbs @ 600 yards
1780 FPS 1200 ft lbs @ 800 yards
Just sayin.....
please post what powder and rifle your getting 2900 fps out of a .308.