Quickload powder data for 700x and 800x

From memory. 5.2g of 700X 200g SWC Hensley and Gibbs #68.

Made major in IPSC.

3.5g of 700X 160g copper washed round nose 38 special. Practice load for Security Officers. Made for rapid speed loads.

A real big one, 1.4g of 700X behind a swaged 90g .32 wadcutter, rimfire.

Used these combinations for 25 years. 12lb steel kegs of 700X.

Retired 2003.
 
700x and 800x

Find data here under the IMR factory load data. http://castpics.net/dpl/ Be careful with 800X , the powder can bridge in the measure, resulting in a short charge in one. The next one gets the extras. Both my measures don't like it. Look into each case before seating a bullet, to check powder level. I use both powders.
 
Thanks guys. I've been using both powders for years and know all about the dispensing foibles : ) I individually weigh each charge and "settle" the charge in the case. I would like to get some idea of what the pressure curves look like in QL. This is what I need:

{Edit: see board policy on posting copyrighted materials. Graphic layouts are covered by copyright.}
 
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Stagpanther,

I had to pull your image. NECO controls the QuickLOAD copyright in this country and does not allow it displayed in Internet forums.

Regarding the powder information, it is not directly available. The way Hartmut Broemel gets data for the powder table is by testing in a vivacity bomb, then putting the resulting numbers into QuickLOAD and letting it deduce the characteristic values from the results. He allows you to access that feature for yourself if you have a vivacity bomb. He has declined to run the IMR shotgun and pistol powders (SR numbers) because he says they have changed manufacturing sources too often in the past for him to have confidence the data will remain valid, and he doesn't want to mislead people with it.

I've tried calling Hodgdon (IMR's distributor), but they won't part with that kind of detailed information. They consider it proprietary where they have it. They also said they don't have full characterizations for all their powders because it costs fifty or sixty grand to have an independent lab do it on contract. Apparently they aren't equipped to do it themselves.
 
Hmmm...didn't think the UI was copyrighted--pretty primitive really--but sorry to "break the rules." And thanks for the very interesting background information on the powders
 
Unclenick, can you provide a reference for the NECO policy?
There's nothing in the EULA or other accompanying agreements about the UI or program output being copyrighted or restricted.
 
~16 years ago the late gunsmith and experimenter, Randy Ketchum, told me he put more and more 800X in a 200 gr 44 magnum and could not reach pressure sign.

~14 years ago I put more and more 800X into a 40sw 200 gr load and even got up to triple compression of the powder, and could not find pressure sign. The half burned flakes from the muzzle could burn holes in paint.

But in 32 S&W Long, 85 gr, I found sticky cases at the same top performance in 800X and LIL'GUN. The charge weight of the 800X was half that of the LIL'GUN. This exceeded the performance of other powders tested including H110.

Based on these and other experiments, I have modeled powders in (3) categories:
1) Linear: More powder, more pressure, more velocity. Unique, Bullseye, 4895
2) Peaky: More powder, lots more pressure. AA#5, Blue Dot
3) Fireballs: More powder, little more pressure. LIL'GUN, 800X, LONGSHOT

Quickload does not predict fireball experiments well.
 
Pretty big difference in combustion speed between 700x and 800x--though I could see how the similarity exists in the bigger cases between lil gun and 800x . I'd be nervous about jamming 700x into any small capacity pistol case.
 
Stagpanther, you may repost

FrankenMauser's request for a reference lead me to call NECO yesterday for an update on their policy about their software content and load data being posted on forums. They had gone, as Ed put it, "a few rounds" with Sniper's Hide over this practice some time back, which is why I said they forbid it. However, Ed says they've since buried the hatchet with SH and altered the policy to allow limited use of screen shots and posting occasional loads from the program to with the proviso that a disclaimer accompany any load information.

I have now put up a sticky on posting QuickLOAD information with a disclaimer for copying and pasting into such posts. Please look for it at the top of the forum.

Stagpanther, in light of this updated information, you may edit your screen shot back in. If the board doesn't let you edit the post, PM me the link and I will put it back in for you.
 
In retrospect I guess it's possible that someone could actually access and use the burn data I had pictured--though I made a point of creating a fictitious "nonsense load" with no realistic powder or charge caliber identity. Using anything in that picture would be akin to dropping a lit match into your gas tank to see if you were truly on empty--but I guess anything is remotely possible. Gotta keep the lawyers happy.

Since you already enlightened me--very informatively--of the complexities of the burn nature for 700x and 800x powders--most particularly that they basically don't exist--even at the manufacturer--I see no point in pressing the issue any further.
 
Thank, Unclenick.
I didn't doubt the policy. I just couldn't find the typical legal jargon covering such uses in any of the agreements.
 
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