Quickload Data question

mcliff1971

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Hello all

I am considering purchasing a copy of QuickLOAD but wanted to know if it has powder data for Shooters World powders and/or Missouri Bullets data? Hoping someone who owns the software could check... :)

Thanks in advance
 
Version 3.9 doesn't have seem to have either Missouri bullets or Shooters World powders included.

QuickLOAD has files for powder and bullet manufacturers included and available so you can switch back and forth. Those two are not included yet.

However, in the past, I inserted data on new bullets (Sierra TMKs) and powders (IMR 4166 Enduron and 4451 Enduron) when they first came out before they were included in later QuickLOAD versions.

When a QuickLOAD update was available, I simply downloaded the update and got the new data loaded. In the interim, the inserted data worked fine for me but it took some effort to get the powder curves right. There are pretty simple tools to adjust the powder curves included in QuickLOAD, but you have to be able to get the right data from the manufacturers or from manuals to be really accurate. Knowing the maximum and minimum loads with particular bullet weights will keep you from exceeding Pmax, but the mid-table tuning takes some additional data.
 
QuickLoad is not a reloading manual. QuickLoad is not a substitute for a reloading manual. QuickLoad is a computer program written by somebody who very likely has never seen a real firearm.
You do not need files for specific bullet manufacturers products. Loading is done according to the bullet weight. Not who made it.
 
Mccliff1971,

Welcome to the forum.

Ignore Mr. O'Heir's post after his first two sentences. He insists on making some things up and clinging to some kinds of obsolete information. QuickLOAD's own manual (and do read it all) tells you what its limitations are and who the author is. Mr. O'Heir has not studied either.

Yes, the Shooter's World powders (most of them) are in the database under their Lovex product numbers. Midsouth Shooters Supply and the Shooter's World website reveal those numbers. Just watch out for added suffixes not in the QuickLOAD powder designations as those may not match.

Bear in mind that all powder numbers have burn rate variation. The canister grades sold to handloaders have the least variation, but there is generally a tolerance of ±3% or ±5%, depending on the manufacturer. The database in QuickLOAD is built from measuring purchased lots without any way to know where in the tolerance range the test lot was, so it is common to have to tweak them by comparing to examples that are published to get some idea of the range of performance a lot you purchase may have.

Your best bet, if load data is available with both pressure and velocity, is to compare QuickLOAD's performance prediction to those and adjust powder burn rate and other factors to dial it in a little more closely so you can apply it with whatever components there is no published load for. Then it often comes remarkably close. There is a fair amount now published regarding how to dial the program in if its predictions didn't match published data very well for some reason.

You can add any bullet to the database pretty easily by picking one that is close, clicking on the icon with calipers over a bullet and then giving it the new name and correcting the data and saving it. It's that simple. I've added in a lot of bullets that way. Bryan Litz's book, Ballistic Performance of Rifle Bullets is a good database of measured BC's you can use for a bullet your are adding or tweaking.

After the first two sentences, this is where Mr. O'Heir is wrong in the rest of his post:

1: QuickLOAD's author is one of Europe's leading ballistics experts who writes software for the CIP and who not only shoots but of whom Dr. Ken Oehler has said he probably has seen and worked with more real pressure data than anyone else alive.

You can, when high precision is needed, match QuickLOAD's pressure or velocity prediction to published data by tweaking powder burn rates and other factors. There is a learning curve, but once you get there it is not only useful but provides a terrific education in the factors that affect interior ballistics.

2. The view that bullets are loaded by weight-only, regardless of the maker or design, is almost half a century out of date, as it assumes all bullets have similar construction and size and shape for a given weight, as was once the case with most jacketed bullets. The advent of VLD designs, solids, sintered bullets, flex tips and numerous newer cast bullet designs and coatings have rendered the idea obsolete. Allan Jones showed by direct experiment that employing the same bullet weight in different makes and designs and propelled by the same powder charge and primer in the same case, give significant peak pressure variation. See this article.
 
Edited my post. Trying to find a rules-friendly way to point out specifically how one particular "contributor" may need his meds adjusted. I'm failing to do so.

Give me partial credit for trying?
 
Thanks for the responses. I will most likely grab a copy of QuickLOAD and add it to my library of reloading material. The software looks very interesting and i am intriqued with the thought of using it to see potential effects of load adjustments
 
Rimfire,
I was wondering where you are finding the downloads for Quickload?
I have been having to buy the periodic updates on disk. $15.95 for the disk, shipping usually ends up making it close to $40.

Quickload does seem to get the updates for Hodgdon powders fairly quick. I'm still waiting for them to update Alliant's Power Pro series, as they have been out longer than the Enduron Series.
 
I didn't say the updates were free and come to think of it I might have ordered the update disk.
But they are a lot cheaper than the initial $170 price and keep the product up to date.
I think I went about 15 months with my entered TMK bullet data until the update with them included came out.

I have no idea why QuickLOAD includes some items and not others. Maybe they monitor powders and bullet popularity before they bother including the new products.

Based on the data in my old 'created' TMK bullet entries and the QuickLOAD published entries, there were only very small differences that didn't seem to change any results. Apparently, careful bullet measurements allowed me to enter new bullet data with credible results.

The powder changes were quite a different story. The differences between my 'created' 4166 and 4451 Enduron powder entries and the published updates were a bit different, most evident in the mid-range of the load tables. QuickLOAD might actually measure pressure performance before they create a powder entry. That might explain why they take so long to create an update.
 
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Unclenick,

Thanks for the information on the equivalence of Lovex and Shooter's World powders.
I was unaware of that because I haven't consider buying Shooter's World powders and have never checked their ads.
I always learn something from your posts.
 
Unclenick,

Thanks for the information on the equivalence of Lovex and Shooter's World powders.
I was unaware of that because I haven't consider buying Shooter's World powders and have never checked their ads.
I always learn something from your posts.
Rimfire5 - I took a chance on some SW Cleanshot and Match Rifle and am very happy with both.
 
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