Questions for Taurus, Keltec, Ruger -small 9mm owners

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RH

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I have a question about recoil, not because I'm a wimp, but concern about accuracy. Much more fun to hit the target than just make noise, I think.

I recently shot a 4" .357 revolver, and a fullsize Kimber 1911. Shot them pretty well for first time out - all in the black at 7 yds. How would the Keltec p-111 or Taurus P-11 compare in recoil/accuracy ? How about the larger but still economical Ruger P series 9mm's ?
 
My Taurus PT111 is pretty damn accurate for a cheapo, and no the recoil isn't so much you'd notice a difference. I don't think anyway.

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My Kel-Tec P-11 has significantly more "felt" recoil than larger/heavier pistols. To me it is similar to a S&W Airweight (.38). The gun's frame is so light that YOU absorb more of the recoil.

It is not unmanageable, just different. As far as accuracy goes, the P-11 is a defensive weapon - not for competition. I find that if I get a good sight picture and don't jerk through the looooong trigger pull that I pretty much hit right where I'm aiming.

IMO, the biggest plus of the Kel-Tec P-11 is the size of the package in a 9MM pistol.

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RH,

I own a Taurus PT 111, and have rented and practiced with the Keltec P11. Accuracy is not the high point of either gun in my opinion.

The Taurus has an awful trigger pull - long and rough, but is a comfortable gun to shoot otherwise. The weight and composite frame design help reduce the recoil quite a bit. Accuracy from a bench rest is quite good, but offhand shooting suffers because of the trigger.

The Keltec I shot had a much better, but not great trigger pull, but did not group as well as the Taurus from a rest. Offhand it seemed to shoot as good, if not better than the Taurus, again because of the trigger difference.

Taurus magazines are $35, but I think you can get Keltec magazines for less.

The Keltec is about 2/3 of the price of the Taurus, but really needs some hand finishing to maximize performance. Fluff and buff is what the Keltec fans call it, and if you like to tinker, it should be no problem to smooth up all the rough edges of this little gun. Visit the Keltec owners page to read what others say about them.
http://www.ktog.com

I would recommend the Keltec over the Taurus based on my experience. Get a few tools to do the fluff and buff, and you will have a super light, very compact, reliable self defense gun at a very reasonable price.

If size is not your concern, and you want accuracy, extreme reliability, and unbeatable durability, go with the Ruger! :)

Bill
 
IMO I`d say recoil isn`t really "heavier" with the lil guns just more "brisk". Does that make any sense? :) It`s certainly not objectionable to most folks. It will require a bit more concentration to get off those really quick follow up shots. In my experience the Keltecs are great little guns. I have almost 5000rds. through mine without a hiccup or problem of any kind. Don`t expect the accuracy to be in the same class as the guns you were shooting though. The Keltecs and Millenium are close range concealed carry guns and nothing more. I`ve never measured a single group fired by my P-11 but I can hit the head of a B-27 target at 15yds. with no sweat. The Ruger 9mms (especially the P-95) are great guns especially for the money. They`re deliver much better accuracy than the "pocket" 9mms but they`re also much larger and heavier. It depends what your personal priorities are. Marcus
 
If you are considering those others, DO go check out the Kahr pistols too. Their E-9 is a best buy in a compact nine. Not much bigger, but certainly heavier than the others.
Not near the weight of the Ruger P series, the 1911, or the .357 you shot. But, the recoil is less than the .45, and MUCH less than the .357 if you were using magnum loads(not .38s).
 
I've shot both the Keltec and the Taurus, although it has been a while on the Keltec. I would own the keltec and trust it, from what I remember, however I think I would go with the Taurus. The finish is nicer (especially the SS one), plus Taurus has a lifetime warranty, whether or not you are the original purchaser. I personally think everyones complaint about the trigger is overblown. If you practice with it, you can get quite good accuracy. I shot it for the first time in months the other day, and I was easily able to hit a 9x9 cement block target from 100ft, in low light conditions. I have never shot it on a bench rest or off hand at paper targets (I don't own it it is my friends carry gun), however if you need to shoot something bigger than 9x9 at a 100ft with this gun, you have a serious problem.
 
Are the sub-compact Glocks out of the question. A couple of friends that have them say that they are as accurate as their full size brothers. Very dependable.
 
Don't leave out the Glock 26. Dead on accurate right out of the box out to 11-15 yds, more so if you have the adjustable sights installed. Felt recoil is minimal due to the angle of the grip handle which is the same as the P08 Luger, one of the most ergomonically perfect handguns ever made.The recoil is absorbed through the hand, along the axis of your arm. Your hand and arm act like a shock absorber.

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wife has the g26 and outside of her colt det spc. the 26 is her favorite carry gun. i shot both my 17 and her 26 at the gssf shoot and placed better with the sub-compact that with the 17. and keep in mind the course of fire was the same. am trying to pry one from a shooting buddy but he just will not let go of it.
 
Last week I picked up my new Ruger P94. It's a great shooter. As for accuracy, if you do your part, it will its part. Overall I am very impressed with it.
 
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