Questions about my Mauser

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brandon_h3

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I bought a Yugo 24/47 Mauser not too long ago and I fixed it up back to what it looked like when it was made many moons ago. My questions are as follows:

1. How many rounds are one of these guns good for? This gun has rifling that has had 3 independent gunsmiths estimate that the gun had less than 30 rounds thru it, so treat it as new in your estimations.

2. I use the Turkish ammo that SOG sells cheap. Can someone give me ballistics information about this ammo?

3. Why rifle the inside of a barrel? The bullet is pointed so it will naturally fly straight anyway.

4. How many RPM's is the bullet turning when it exits the barrel?

Thanks!!
 
brandon,

Congrats. You have a fine rifle. The Yugos are based on the Mauser '98 action, one of the strongest ever made. I recently purchased a 24-47 myself. Photos are here: www.swampworks.com/SwampysStuff-2.html

Your questions:

1. No definite answer here... but.. a LOT. If you care for the barrel by cleaning properly, 15 to 20K rounds is not too much to ask from a military grade barrel before you begin to see a drop in accuracy, maybe more.

2. I shoot mostly Romanian and Yugo ammo. Have not shot any Turk yet. From what I gather from other Mauser fanatics, the Turk ammo is loaded with a 155 grain fmj boat tail bullet at about 3000 fps. This is pretty HOT compared to other milsurp ammo of the period, but well within the ability of the rifle to handle.

3. Spinning is necessary to get any non-finned or "non-intelligent, non-controlled" projectile (rocket, aircraft, missle, bird, etc.) to fly straight along it's axis. Rifling is the simplest way to do this.

Read your firearms history. The single biggest leap forward in accuracy came when, in the 17 & 18th Centuries, gunmakers started rifling barrels instead of leaving them as smoothbores. Even a simple round lead ball flies much straighter when spinned. An un-finned cylindrical bullet such as all firearms use today would tumble uncontrollably when fired from a smooth barrel.

4. Rifliing approx. 1 turn in 10 inches. Muzzle velocity of 3000 fps. You do the math.... :)

Enjoy your Mauser.... I do.

Swampy
 
1. If properly cared for, more than you can shoot.
2. Sorry, can't help you here.
3.No, it won't naturally fly straight anyway.Regardless of the shape, any projectile will always try to turn itself heavy side foreward unless given a rotation on an appropriate axis.
4. For the purpose of this exercise we will assume a bullet is traveling 3000 fps and the barrel has a 1 in 12 twist. If your barrel has a different twist rate, divide the twist rate by 12 to get it in feet.

Now that is 1 rpm per foot so we have 3000 rotations per second

60 seconds per minute so we have 3000 times 60 or 180,000 rpm.
 
Swampy......

Everybody, thanks for the help..........

Swampy, thanks for the compliment. I'm quite proud of it myself. Not to mention the looks I get when I show it off and emerge with the bayonet attached!! They are priceless!! It makes the gun look quite evil.

I heard mixed results from people about the Turk ammo, and while I've only shot 8 rounds of it, it appears to be very accurate and 100% reliable. It also certainly has recoil! I think the people that have problems with the ammo such as hang fire or misfire could have weak firing springs. I would recommend you get a bandolier of it and try it out. Can't go wrong, one will cost $9.43 to your door. If you hate it, you're out that much. If you love it, they can put 980 rounds on your doorstep for $80.00 total. The ammo I recieved was very clean, and claimed to be non-corrosive. I don't buy it and clean my barrel religiously after I shoot it. However, so far, I would recommend it!!
 
brandon,

Always assume that any foreign milsurp ammo made before 1960, or any Eastern Bloc milsurp ammo made before 1980 is corrosive. I'm not even certain and for sure about ammo made after those dates.

It's better to be safe than crying over a rusty bore.

Swampy
 
The Tuek is DEFINITELY corrosive. No biggie, though. Just clean with hot water and soap or water and ammonia, then clean regularly and oil generously.

As for ballistics, it is a 154 grain bullet at about 3000-3100 fps. The sights are probably set for a battlesight zero of 300 meters for a 198 grain bullet at 2650 fps. With this ammo, you'd be in the neighborhood of 10-12" high at 100 yards.

I you shop around, you can find the bandoliers of Turk ammo for as little as $5. Midway has a sale on I think the Ecuadorian stuff right now.

Semper fi,
Bruegger out.
 
Hey can you elaborate a little?

Midway? Can you give me a phone number? Website? Anybody else know where to get cheap 8mm ammo? I'm all for buying from the cheapest place. I'll even buy different types, I don't care!
 
I am normally totally against firing milsurp ammo. But..... I tried some of this Turk 8mm stuff. It is accurate and cheap. I bought something close to 5000 rounds of it. That should be a lifetime supply. I have had no problems with it at all.

www.midwayusa.com
 
If the Mauser is battle sighted at 300 yards, at what other range would the sights be correct at? My range is no where near 300 yards. :(

Kharn
 
On my Yugo, it hits about right on the money at 25 yards with the back sight set on 200 yards. I shoot at 25 yard pistol targets and use a 6 o'clock hold on the bull at 100 yards. It doesn't hit in the bull but it provides a good aiming point for shooting groups. I do have the space to shoot at any range. We were shooting yesterday at 600 yards. We have a bucket covered with aluminum foil sitting on a hillside at 600 and then watch with a spotting scope for the puffs of dirt. We shot the Mauser, a FR-8 in .308, a trapdoor Springfield in .45/70, an O3-A3, and a Remington Rolling Block in .43 Spanish. All former military rifles, all with the sights graduated to way out yonder. Those sights are pretty darn close as far as elevation. As far as the elevation goes, you are going to have to use kentucky windage, there is really no way around that unless you buy new sights. I like to leave mine in issued condition but a buddy of mine replaced his 98 Mauser front sight with one that hit dead on at 100 yards. I just estimate the hold under and let it fly. With that Turk ammo, you can afford to miss. If you are shooting paper inside 100 yards, you should be on paper if you use a 25 yard pistol target and hold at 6 o'clock.
 
Actually....

Actually I was shooting at the good ol' boys favorite target, a beer can, and it was at about 25 yards or so. From what you tell me my old gun is shooting right where it should. I have 25 yard pistol targets and had I been aiming at it and aiming at it's 6'oclock, I think I'd have hit pretty much dead on. Is a Mauser capable of shooting out to 600 yards? The sights go to 2000 I know, but the speedometers on cars usually go way past the capability of the car.
 
FAC (763-780-8780 for a catalog) has Turkish 8mm in 70rd bandoliers on stripper clips for $3.95/70. That works out to $56 per 1000 rds.
 
"Is a Mauser capable of shooting out to 600 yards? "

Of course, why not. Military 8mm ballistics are as good or better than 30-06 and a fair amount better than .308. Both of those calibers are uesd quite extensively in Highpower Rifle, which is done at 200, 300, and 600 yds., each and every match.

Swampy
 
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