Questions about Civilian Marksmanship Program

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Dr45ACP

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Hopefully somebody here can help me... I went to the web site and read the stuff, but still have a few questions...

1. If I buy a rifle from them, do they ship it to an FFL or straight to me?

2. Do I have to fill out one of those yellow applications for the BATF, I dont remember the form number, maybe 4417 or something like that?

3. Have the M1's they sell been in storage all this time, or are the imports that have been returned?

4. What do they sell besides M1 Garands?


Thanks in advance for the advice...
 
Hey, I can help.

1. They ship it right to your house. About the only people that can do this. It warms your heart to have the FedEx man drop off your new-old Garand.

2. No, you don't fill out the 4337 (?) yellow form, but the CMP does do a NICS check on you.

3. UH, pass. Well really the CMP sells danish inports that have been out of the country, but the standard Garand has just been in storage and is not an import. The danish imports will probably have some Berreta parts on them. They sell for $100 less.

4. Search the websight some more. They have 1903's and 1903 A3's that come up for sale through raffle or auction, they have Mossberg bolt action .22's right now, they have brand new Kimber bolt action .22's and have some M1C and M1D rifles (occasionally and through auction now it seems), they have had Remington and H&R .22's, and you can even get a Bushmaster DCM AR15 through your club.

Speaking of club, you have to belong to a club that is part of the CMP to be eligible for the rifle purchase, and shoot one match. Seems a lot of people have been interested in getting the rifles and didn't realize there was this requirement. It is easy and fun to be qualified. I just found out that belonging to my state rifle association fufilled my requirement for club membership. I also belong to a club that is affiliated with the CMP.
 
They ship it straight to you.

The same questions that are on the 4473 are on the application which has to be notarized. They do a brady check unless you have a curio and relic ffl (which everyone should have even if it is just for the trade prices with brownells).

They sell both ones in storage or reimports from holland, you choose which you want and pay the price accordingly.

I am not certain on the last one. There charter dictates only rifles. They have some rifles (.22's and m14's) that they only sell to clubs.
 
Guys,

re DR45 question # 3:

The Danish M1's are genuine USGI rifles that were sent to Denmark as a part of "lend-lease" right after the end of WWII (these were all SA or Win receivers), then sent back in the late 80's when the Danes decided that they were no longer needed for national defense. The Danes took pretty good care of these babies. When they needed rework or armory maintenance, they got replacement parts by both Dane & Italian suppliers, both of whom made EXCELLENT M1 parts. These parts are definitely on a par with US made ones, in some cases better. It is even said by M1 afficianados that if you are lucky enough to get a Dane M1 that has been re-barreled with a Dane VAR barrel, you probably have the most accurate military barrel ever used on the M1. These are said to be even better than the LMR barrels that were used on IHC M1's here in the US. (Just a NOTE: from what I see on Culver's board, I'm guessing about 1/2 to 2/3 of the guys getting Danes recently have been getting VAR barrels, the rest still have the original US bbl).

The stocks are going to be the most obviously different part from the USGI. The wood may have been given some pretty rough treatment, but these will usually clean up & re-finish out to look pretty good. My Dane M1 looked like it had been drug behind a pickup down 10 miles of really bad gravel road when I got it. Ugly with a capital UG. A few hours of work stripping & refinishing with BLO & what looked like a "beater" stock is now the best looking one in my safe, bar none. It turned out to be a really pretty piece of European walnut with dark grain stripes & even a fair amount of feathering on the lower butt & under the forearm.

These are definitely USED rifles, just like the USGI Service Grade ones, and will probably look it. They will however, be fine shooters. The CMP gives them a full armory inspection (just as all of them do) & DOES NOT send out any rifle that they see a problem with. It also gets test fired, just like the USGI Service grades do.

If you are not a USGI "snob" or "purist" who insists on an all US parts rifle, the Dane M1's are good value.

I'll definitely be ordering another one soon to complement my 2 Service Grades (SA & IHC) and my Dane Winchester.

Best to all,
Swampy
 
The CMP has changed their policy and now does the NICS check on every applicant, regardless of CCW or FFL status. They did this last year some time.
 
If you are a military vet they waive the part about having to show proof of a match (or 50 rounds) fired.
 
Due to a highly contagious affliction I suffer from call "Garanditis" I have to comment on a few things. First, the Danish Garands technically are not imports. They can't be because they were never exported in the first place. Nor were they Lend-Lease which was a scheme Roosevelt cooked up in order to give weapons to our Allies prior to the United State's direct involvement in WWII. And they're not MAP (Military Assistance Program) arms like we gave to whole litany of countries in programs that continue to this day. If they were any of these things they would be illegal to bring back into the United States (the way the law is written today).

The Danish Garands where rifles that were transferred directly from the U.S. Army to the Danish Government in the months immediately after the end of WWII. Basically all the Danish Garands originally left the United States in 1942 - 1945 riding on the shoulder of a GI bound for the European Theater of Operation (hence they're nearly all war production Springfields or Winchesters). Most of those GIs made it home after kicking the Krauts' butts across Northern Europe, but their rifles stayed behind. The Danes have had them all this time, used the hell out of them, rebuilt and restocked them a time or two (hey... when your nearest neighbor is Germany you gotta be ready), but they really belonged to the U.S. Army all along. That's the loop-hole the CMP used to bring them back into this country.

Swampy is right about the VAR barrels and the Danish Garands in general, they're the best value on the M1 market today. So if you check out a Danish Garand and it's a little rough around the edges - like it's been thru WWII -the answer is "Yes, and then some." Great rifles with a fascinating history. -- Kernel
 
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