Question to LEOs: what kind of into comes up during a traffic stop?
- Thread starter Oleg Volk
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Oleg, when you first stop a vehicle, you run what we called a 10-28, 10-29. The uses the vehicle license plate and tells the officer: The owner of the car, the address the car is registered to, if there are any liens on the car and who has the lien (28). The 29 checks to see if the car is reported as stolen.
When you have the DL, you run a 10-27, 10-29. The 27 gives you the same information that is on the DL so you can verify that the DL hasn't been altered, or faked, gives you a history of moving violations and accidents, and tells you if the DL holder has a 10-44 (Concealed Handgun License). The 10-29 runs the DL info through TCIC/NCIC and checks to see if the person is wanted.
If you have reason to believe that you are dealing with a wanted person or a felon, then you can ask for a 10-43 (Computerized Criminal History or CCH). A CCH uses the name and date of birth and will tell you what crimes the subject has been charged with, what crimes he or she has been convicted of, and the dispostions of the sentencing.
In Texas, the Concealed Handgun License simply tells us if it's valid, and what class of handgun it's valid for. We isue CHL's either for Revolvers (may carry revolver only) or Semi-Autos (may carry semi-auto or revolver).
Hope that helps.
LawDog
When you have the DL, you run a 10-27, 10-29. The 27 gives you the same information that is on the DL so you can verify that the DL hasn't been altered, or faked, gives you a history of moving violations and accidents, and tells you if the DL holder has a 10-44 (Concealed Handgun License). The 10-29 runs the DL info through TCIC/NCIC and checks to see if the person is wanted.
If you have reason to believe that you are dealing with a wanted person or a felon, then you can ask for a 10-43 (Computerized Criminal History or CCH). A CCH uses the name and date of birth and will tell you what crimes the subject has been charged with, what crimes he or she has been convicted of, and the dispostions of the sentencing.
In Texas, the Concealed Handgun License simply tells us if it's valid, and what class of handgun it's valid for. We isue CHL's either for Revolvers (may carry revolver only) or Semi-Autos (may carry semi-auto or revolver).
Hope that helps.
LawDog
Lawdog:
I'm merely curious: Assume the stop was for speeding with nothing else appearing out of order. The checks you mentioned reveal all is in line with the driver (no warrants) but the driver does indeed have a valid CCL.
Your department's rules for handling this driver with a CCL would be?
Regards
ps I do not ask you in any contentious or rhetorical manner, but only to broaden my sometimes all to small intelligence.
I'm merely curious: Assume the stop was for speeding with nothing else appearing out of order. The checks you mentioned reveal all is in line with the driver (no warrants) but the driver does indeed have a valid CCL.
Your department's rules for handling this driver with a CCL would be?
Regards
ps I do not ask you in any contentious or rhetorical manner, but only to broaden my sometimes all to small intelligence.
If you are a CCW holder, it is best to notify the officer that you have one and are carrying, tell him where it is. In my state that comes up with the driver history, so we will already know. But if one is approached on a traffic stop, the example here, you must notify the officer. Explain where it is and follow the officer's instructions, no need to reach over and show him (thus eliminating another hazard of a stop). While you are explaining where it is, keep both hands on the steering wheel or somewhere where they are visible. If it is laying on the seat or anywhere else DO NOT reach for it to hand to the officer. At night time, turn on the interior light and keep both hands on the wheel, follow above instructions. I sound repetitive, but I mean to.
Ed Brunner
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What effect would a return to the right to keep and bear arms have on the officer's safety during a traffic stop?
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Bunkster,
I've worked for two departments. The first left the handling of a driver with a CHL and a weapon up to the discretion of the officer. Most of us would ask the driver to step out of the vehicle and wait at the back of the stopped vehicle on the passenger side.
The last agency required that a driver or passenger with a CHL and a weapon roll down the window and keep his or her hands out the window, while remaining in the vehicle.
Either department, if the CHL holder is not carrying a weapon, the stop is not handled any differently than any other traffic stop.
I am, by the way, no longer a Peace Officer in Texas.
Ed,
It is my contention that a 'return to the right to keep and bear arms' or a Vermont-style carry law will have little or no impact on officer safety.
Those who mean to harm officers are going to carry, law or not. Those who have no intent to harm officers can be handled with common-sense and training.
Just my humble opinion, though.
LawDog
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I've worked for two departments. The first left the handling of a driver with a CHL and a weapon up to the discretion of the officer. Most of us would ask the driver to step out of the vehicle and wait at the back of the stopped vehicle on the passenger side.
The last agency required that a driver or passenger with a CHL and a weapon roll down the window and keep his or her hands out the window, while remaining in the vehicle.
Either department, if the CHL holder is not carrying a weapon, the stop is not handled any differently than any other traffic stop.
I am, by the way, no longer a Peace Officer in Texas.
Ed,
It is my contention that a 'return to the right to keep and bear arms' or a Vermont-style carry law will have little or no impact on officer safety.
Those who mean to harm officers are going to carry, law or not. Those who have no intent to harm officers can be handled with common-sense and training.
Just my humble opinion, though.
LawDog
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Art Eatman
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A buddy of mine with a CHL in Texas has been stopped four times for speeding. He shows the DL & CHL, per the law. Then, after five or ten minutes of BS-ing about guns ("Whaddaya carry? How do you like it?") and how Clinton is an &^$%!, he is told, "Have a nice day; hold it down a bit..." and gets sent on down the road.
And folks wanna live in Kalifornia?
, Art
And folks wanna live in Kalifornia?
, ArtStopped once in TX w/ my CHL. Had to be going at least over 80. I'd just moved to NM and still had a TX address on my CHL (new one hadn't arrived yet). Gave the ole boy my NM license, my TX paper ID (hadn't received it either), and my old CHL. Told him that I had CHL and had a pistol in my back pocket. He said slow it down. I said yes sir. Gestapo tactics don't seem too popular in TX. I read on gun boards where many LEOs ask if the driver is carrying, even in states where carrying is illegal. Never been asked it NM either. I consider the askers Gestapo types..
Oh yeah, my ins and registration was handed over too.
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Oh yeah, my ins and registration was handed over too.
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6forsure,
Quote: "I consider the askers Gestapo types"
You think an LEO asking someone if they have a weapon is a Gestapo type? I ask during certain contacts with people if they have any weapons. Sometimes, depending on the stituation, I do a pat down for weapons. These are not Gestapo type actions, I just want to go home at the end of the night.
If I do find a weapon, whether it is a knife, gun, club, I hold onto it until we are done or put it out of arms reach. I have never arrested a lawabiding citizen for ANY weapon nor have I confiscated it. Do you think this is a Gestapo tactic? Countless LEOs have been killed because they have been too complacent about their jobs.
Quote: "I consider the askers Gestapo types"
You think an LEO asking someone if they have a weapon is a Gestapo type? I ask during certain contacts with people if they have any weapons. Sometimes, depending on the stituation, I do a pat down for weapons. These are not Gestapo type actions, I just want to go home at the end of the night.
If I do find a weapon, whether it is a knife, gun, club, I hold onto it until we are done or put it out of arms reach. I have never arrested a lawabiding citizen for ANY weapon nor have I confiscated it. Do you think this is a Gestapo tactic? Countless LEOs have been killed because they have been too complacent about their jobs.
Yes. Asking if you are armed or have weapon as a routine question during a traffic stop, especially in a state where that (posession of weapon in a vehicle) is illegal is a Gestapo tactic used by power crazy LEOs.
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This is for Washington State:
Routine traffic stop: the plate is run to check it for associated warrants, stolen vehicle entries, stolen plate entries, missing person entries, impound entries. The registration information on the vehicle is also displayed.
The person or persons are run with a check for warrants, missing person, restraining/protection orders, and officer safety information records. These checks are at the state and national level. The drivers license information is also displayed. This includes basic information like name and address, physical discription (including if the person is male or female, so the officer doesn't have to sex them), sometime the SSN (if you've chosen to give your government serial number to the man, most have), and abreviated information about the driving record.
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Routine traffic stop: the plate is run to check it for associated warrants, stolen vehicle entries, stolen plate entries, missing person entries, impound entries. The registration information on the vehicle is also displayed.
The person or persons are run with a check for warrants, missing person, restraining/protection orders, and officer safety information records. These checks are at the state and national level. The drivers license information is also displayed. This includes basic information like name and address, physical discription (including if the person is male or female, so the officer doesn't have to sex them
), sometime the SSN (if you've chosen to give your government serial number to the man, most have), and abreviated information about the driving record.------------------
Help! Help! I'm being repressed!