Question regarding C&R FFL

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Joe W

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Can a C&R handgun be sent only to the address on license or can it be sent to the license holder at any address ??
In my case, I am retired and spend 6 months in N.C. and 6 months (winter) in Florida. My license contains my Fl. address. Can I use this lic. and have the gun shipped to me in N.C. ???
Do I have to change my address on my license every 6 months ???

Thanks
 
Legally, the firearm can be shipped to you at any address. However, I don't know of a single dealer that will ship to other than the premisis or mailing addresses on the license.
 
What you can do is once you get a tracking number for UPS, you can go to their website and change the delivery address. Never tried changing the address to a different state though.
 
The problem with that is that, unless the address change is within the same delivery area, the shipper will be charged for the change in delivery address. I know of a couple of dealers that will ban you for that practice. Some people will order items that are illegal in their location, have them shipped to an address where the items are legal, and then divert them to their location.
 
C&R FFL Question

The way I read the rules (laws) it seemed legal as 178.50 states " a licensed collector may acquire C&Rs at any location ....." but not being a lawyer, some of this stuff is rough to digest.
Your right about dealers only sending to address on license. I attemped to purchase a K-22 from a dealer advertising on GunsAmerica. The dealer was in Mass., and told me, 1) it was store policy not to ship to a C&R holder and 2, that it was illegal to ship to an address not on license.
He also said he couldn't even ship to my FFL dealer because as I was a resident of Florida and not N.C. I could not have the gun transferred to me in N.C.
I tried to explain that that was a crock as the Fed. Firearms Regs clearly state that "If a person maintains a home in two states and resides in both States for certain periods of the year, he or she may, during the time the person actually resides in a particular State, purchase a handgun in that State."
Buy this time I lost all interest in buying the gun from him anyway.

Seems to me alot of dealers are just not interested in learning rules partaining to C&R FFLs. Really sucks, but what can you do.
 
I am a C&R holder.

My credit card is at the house that I hold the C&R, the shipping address is at my work.

No one has a problem with it, just order the dang gun and be done with it, have it shipped where you wish it.

It's not a problem, they have my FFL03 on file, know my address, and ships to my work.

Geez.

Wayne
 
C&R Question

Geez Wayne, it sounds simply enough BUT the dealer would not ship. Another person that answered this post also stated that he does not know one dealer that will ship to an address not on the C&R FFL.
 
Remember, CA residents who are holders of C&R licenses, you cannot have C&R handguns shipped to your residence or address bearing license. It must go directly to a 01 FFL in CA for DROS and 4473. Long guns can ship directly to you.
 
Remember, CA residents who are holders of C&R licenses, you cannot have C&R handguns shipped to your residence or address bearing license. It must go directly to a 01 FFL in CA for DROS and 4473. Long guns can ship directly to you.
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Only if the long guns are C&R and over 50 years old.
 
I am not an expert but the one thing I remember reading in the FAQ part of my C&R FFL packet was you cannot receive c&r rirearms through the mail to any address other than the one you have on your license . Sorry for the bold letters I jsut don't want the BATF to see this thread and start cracking down on us. I could be wrong since I am not home and I don't have it in front of me and I will sheck in an hour, but I feel it has to be said for all our sakes.

You can purchase a C&R anywhere in the country and IIRC the restriction just has to do with the mail. There may be restrictions on which C&R guns you can buy if your state does not allow that particular gun since you are supposed to keep your collection at your address on the FFL and that would be in that state (my understanding).

If you want to have the C&R handguns shipped to any other address than the one that is on your license now, I remember the FAQ stating that you can get another license for each address whether it is your buisness or another residence that you can keep your collection at and have an address to have them mailed to..
 
OOOOOpppppssss :o :o
I couldn't find anywhere that said that the C&R FFL could not receive the mailed firearm other than the address on his license. Just has to keep records of the collection at the same place of the collection (or something like that). And I sounded so sure and used bold letters as well :o . May still not be allowed, but I am obviously not the one to know.
 
You may be thinking of this Q/A which in fact does say that shipments can go to addresses other than the licensed premises. As there is no definition of "storage facility" or the duration of storage, it could include a neighbor's address or your place of employment for "temporary" storage until you take possession.

(C2) May one license cover several locations?

No. A separate license must be obtained for each location. Storage facilities are not required to be covered by a separate license. However, the records maintained on licensed premises must reflect all firearms held in the separate storage facility. Firearms may be shipped directly for separate storage facilities as long as they are properly recorded as an acquisition in the licensee's records.
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C&R FFL Question

The "FEDERAL FIREARMS REGULATIONS REFERENCE GUIDE" states in Section 178.50 (Locations covered by license" (Page 55) :
The license covers the class of business or the activity specified in the license at the address specified therein. A seperate license must be obtained for each location at which a firearms business or activity requiring a license under this part is conducted EXCEPT:

(A) covers FFL dealer storing firearms at a seperate warehouse.

(B) A licensed collector may acquire C&Rs at ANY location, and dispose of C&Rs to any licensee or to other persons (non licencees) who are residents of the State where the license is held and the disposition made.


AS the first part of this section speaks of "activity specified in the license at the address specified therein" but goes on to say EXCEPT that licensed collectors may aquire C&RS at ANY location " I would be led to believe, as it states, I can aquire at ANY location, in my case N.C., either by common carrier or face to face.

As I said, I'm led to believe. Not being a lawyer I am not really sure, and I am old enough to know that's how you can get in trouble.
You not only have to be a lawyer to understand this stuff but you need to be a dam good one.

Any comments on this section ? How do you read this ??
 
(B) A licensed collector may acquire C&Rs at ANY location, and dispose of C&Rs to any licensee or to other persons (non licencees) who are residents of the State where the license is held and the disposition made.
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You see, that is what confused me too. I thought that the "any location" meant that I could buy a C&R handgun "in person" anywhere, like another state other than my residence. However, although I had (incorrectly) remembered seeing an exception for handguns being delivered to only the address on the license, I have found no such restriction. I am now under the impression that we can have it legally delivered to another location other than our license. But I would write to the BATF first before I would do so myself. Since I doubt I will need to have this done, I will probably never need to write BATF the letter asking if this can be done.

(P.S. I think there is one more exception not mentioned where you may dispose of a C&R long gun to a resident of another state if you conduct the transaction at your address on your C&R license and you are not "in the buiiness of dealing firearms" IIRC)
 
regardless of the legalese.. with all the bogus suits that WIN in our courts.. it's easy to see why an dealer would refuse to ship to another address that is not on the license.
 
Last of my C&R FFL Questions

Well today I called the Greenville S.C. office of the ATF (Compliance Section) and this is what they told me :

That C&R wapons may only be sent to the "Premises Address" the "mailing Address" may be changed by sending them the license but that address is only for recieving communications from ATF.

When I explained my problem, a home in two States, I was told I would have to get another License in N.C. as my license lists my Florida address. When I asked if I could hold two licenses the lady I was speaking said that I could. She did seem knowledgable of the various rules but on the matter of two licenses, she did not seem overly sure of what she was telling me.

I guess I will just use a type 001 FFL dealer when buying any guns by mail, at least until I return to Florida.
 
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