Question for the NRA members

MicroBalrog

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The followingi is the NRA-PVF information page about Florida.

Here it is

Check out House District 21. In it, the NRA endorses an unopposed Republican, one Lincoln Diaz-Balart, NRA B+ rating.

However, in reality, Balart is running against Frank Gonzales.

There is no Democrat in his election and it is likely that disaffected Democrats will vote Gonzales simply because they hate Balart (I'm not saying it will happen. It may.

Balart has an F rating from GOA.

The Question: Why no mention (speak not of endorsement) of Gonzales on the NRA website?

Yours, with love, MicroNRAiskindaweirdBalrog
 
I've met Frank Gonzales.....

I met the candidate at my university and he seemed to be a nice guy who genuinely was strongly pro-gun. I even thought about voting for him but as it stands I'm only almost a single issue voter. It was a hard decision but I stuck with Balart.

I'm pro-life and given that I've decided not to put my life, fortune, and sacred honor on the line to end abortion the very least I can do is refuse to vote for someone who thinks that abortion is fine. That cowardly position will probobly still land me in Hell but I'm Catholic so I can hold out some hope of getting off with a long stint in Purgatory.

The simple fact is....the NRA does not want to alienate incumbent Republicans who by and large oppose new gun control. In 2000 Ileana Ros Lethinen ran against a Democrat with a higher rating than she had and they did not endorse her opponent.

I would guess that the NRA is likewise unwilling to lean too heavily on incumbent Democrats who likewise oppose new gun control measures. Granted fewer and fewer Democrats are on good terms with the NRA but that is the fault of the increasing radicalization of the Democratic Party and not the NRA.

The NRA is big into fighting rear guard actions at the national level. It does a good job in restoring our rights at the state level but at the national level it is by and large content to preserve the status quo. Both lawsuit protection (which failed) and keeping the scheduled Sunset of 1994 AW Ban on track fall into that category.

The NRA bears little interest in helping to stir up controversy in what is otherwise a safe seat. A real race there would only cause Balart to get resources from the Republican Party that would have otherwise gone to other (largely pro-gun) Republican candidates. Even if they threw their whole weight against Balart they'd still lose. What is more, many of their own members (like myself) would vote as conservatives rather than just as gun owners.

Further, the NRA is deeply implicated in our two party system and they psychologically are seldom able to consider anyone other than a Republican or Democrat to be a serious candidate. Furthermore, the NRA is comfortable with the current system, they feel they know how to work it to protect the rights we still have and thus they aren't interested in changing it.



Am I thrilled with the NRA's pragmatism? Not really. But does it help protect our rights in the long term? Probobly. If we want to give the NRA a stronger hand so that it can have a stiffer spine, then we need to recruit thousands and thousands of entirely new people into the gun culture and get them enlisted in the NRA.


You know what? I heard a lot about the NRA's big "drive for five" (in league with NASCAR and then I heard nothing. One thing about the NRA is, they stay mum about their failures which is why you can't rely too heavily on them for information. Still, they've made the effort to expand their numbers and thus give themselves greater power to defend our rights with their political arm and promote the shooting sports through their regular organization. How many people did you sign up for the NRA during the drive. All I got was one, and that was a family member.
 
I'm pro-life and given that I've decided not to put my life, fortune, and sacred honor on the line to end abortion the very least I can do is refuse to vote for someone who thinks that abortion is fine.

As far as I know, Libertarians don't think abortion is fine. (I don't, at least) But it's obvious the Federal government should stay out of the issue under the 10th and 9th Amednments. Now, the states...
 
A good and nuanced point.....

Well, the constitutionality of banning abortion through the legislative process (provided we could dispense with Roe v. Wade, is interesting).

Technically, one could argue that laws against murder are a matter for the states. Certainly the exact punishment for murder is up to the states but what if a given state's government decided not to punish murder at all?

Surely very few people would object to a federal statue at least mandating that states regard murder as a serious crime provided that there is a situation that makes that law neccessary.

This would certainly be preferrable to armed action by concerned citizens of the offending state intended to restore respect for the right to human life in that state. After all, the right to life is "retained by the people". If the federal government is allowed no role in protecting it, and the democratic proccess has produced and will, for the foreseeable future produced a situation where the state does not respect it then the citizens will be left with little recourse but to recover that right as provided for in the Declaration of Independence. Short of that you would have revenge killings and vigilante action to deal with murderers.

Now if you're fine, as a strict states rights person, with periodic small scale revolts at the state level then this works. Otherwise, the federal government has some, very limited, role in ensuring that states do not trample upon the rights of their residents.

If one is pro-life, one generally regards abortion as equivalent to murder. Exceptions to abortion for the sake of the mother's life and long term health are not murder since they are equivalent to battlefield triage.

If one is only mildly pro-life and does not regard abortion to be nearly as serious as murder then there is ample justification for saying that the separation of powers trumps any need to deal with abortion.

I believe that many Libertarians are only mildly pro-life and do not really regard abortion to be the same as murder. Plenty of others do not care about the issue at all and see abortion as just fine.

Like I said, I do not believe that my position on abortion is in any way, shape or form morally upright. If I really, really, saw abortion as equivalent to chopping up a 1 year old baby in a "clinic" I would be far too busy to have this pleasent conversation.

It is the measure of my selfishness that I am willing to "go to the wall" for my gun rights which I personally enjoy, but not for the life of some nameless fetus I will never know.

I know my position is self-contradictory and maybe you can point out that there is no moral difference between voting for Balart or voting for Gonzales. Given that the Senate rather than the House deals with judicial nominees (all important since the first step is getting rid of Roe v. Wade) Gonzales might retire from the House before he would ever be called upon to vote in a way contradictory to my principles. You could also make the argument that Balart, like many Republicans (ironically many of the same ones who are weak on guns) doesn't really give a hang about abortion.

Still, I feel I have to take a stand on the pro-life issue in some way. I guess this just shows how hypocritical even serious pro-lifers are. The only reason they do not take their beliefs to their natural conclusion is because they fear death or imprisonment. Those who do not unreasonably fear those things do wish to face them alone and thus they choose other issues where they have more friends and the sacrafice they will be called to make is farther away from being demanded. Even then, many of these people will turn about to be nothing but talk.

The pro-choice crowd will win because they have the law on their side and because they genuinely believe that the fetus is not a human being and that they have a right to terminate it.
 
The Question: Why no mention (speak not of endorsement) of Gonzales on the NRA website?
Because the Libertarian candidates do nothing to make themselves worthy of mention. Unless one counts their ridiculously inept campaigning as being noteworthy.

The fact is that they seem to marginalize themselves more with each pathetic campaign.

They recieved 0.35% of the vote in the Presidential race in 2004, compared to 0.36% in 2000. They can't even manage to be effective spoilers against Republicans - even though more often than not they seem to be motivated only as spoilers.

The marxist Green Party does better than that. :rolleyes:

I guess the good news is that if the trend continues, we'll be rid of the Libertarian Party nonsense in just over 3 decades.
 
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