Question for SIG owners who also shoot other brands...

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Lavan

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I have never shot a SIG. When I look at them, it seems that the bore is very high in relation to the frame. I have never bought one because it seems that the recoil would be exaggerated. Is this true?
Not meaning it would be MORE recoil....just more distracting as it seems it would exaggerate the lift.
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Maybe. Frankly, it never registered until I heard a bunch of Glocksters chirping about it and even now I don't notice it. The P220 does jump a little more than my full-size Kimber but it's also a lot lighter. I don't notice any difference between my P226 and Browning High Power. You should be able to find a Sig for rent at a range near you, try one out.

If you don't like Sigs, "high-bore axis" will become your mantra. If you do like them, you'll wonder what the hell that means. Personally, I think they're sweet-handling, soft shooting guns. To each his own.
 
the sig p226 that i shot was very 'soft shooting' but had a bit more muzzle flip that the glock and didn't feel as natural sighting. the gun was a pleasure to shoot tho...

shoot what you LIKE.
 
I've experienced this with SIGs, as well as the HK USPc .45. The bore axis is a little bit higher, and they jumped a little bit more than my G21, but nothing that would stop me from owning one or both other brands.

I very seriously considered the USPc, and I think a Hogue Handall would have made it right in line with the Glock in controllability.
 
I have a Sig P239 .40, an HK USPc .40, and a Kahr K40. Both the Sig and HK have relatively high bore axes, resulting in more muzzle flip. Recoil is noticeable, but not terrible. The K40 has a low bore axis, less muzzle flip, but more perceived recoil. Personally, I prefer the K40 (partly because it is easier to conceal), but YMMV.

M1911
 
I own SIG Sauer, Glock, Walther, Colt and Charles Daly handguns. I've also owned Beretta and Smith & Wesson handguns. I have found that some folks can shoot better with a particular brand or style of gun, then look for reasons to fault the other guns because they don't shoot as well with them. "Bore axis" is not the problem, or nobody would be shooting 1911's anymore. The bore center line of a 1911 is about the same as the SIG Sauer "P" series handguns, but the 1911 shooters claim that the trigger is what makes the difference.:rolleyes: What it really comes down to is personal preference and individual fit with lots of practice.:)
 
On a recent trip to the U.S. of A. I was able to shoot a new SIG P220ST. What a marvelous gun. Wonderful manners.

The stainless version of this formidable weapon has tamed the recoil even more. There is little muzzle flip and I would liken it to that of a Kimber Custom stainless.

I was pleasantly surprised and shocked by the delightful handling of the P220ST.

Wm.
 
In .40 cal...

...I currently have a .40 P-226 Stainless, a Beretta 96D, and a Glock 23C.

I'd wager that split times would be higher with the P-226 and 96D (bore axis on SIG and DAO trigger on Beretta) even without the porting on the Glock. (I've also, in the past, owned several non-ported 23's and a .40 Beretta Border Marshal)

That being said, the difference is tiny and not really noticeable unless shot side-by-side.
 
I own and shoot a Sig P229 with both .40/.357sig barrels. Also shoot primarily 1911 .45s, H&K P7s, own 2 Glocks, a Beretta 92fs, as well as Kahr, kel-tecs, Browning & Rugers.

The high bore axis is noticeable on my Sig but there is no recoil exaggeration, even when shooting hot .357 Sig rounds. It is a high quality pistol, utterly eliable and you just have to learn the manual of arms with this, like any other pistol.

I consider my Sig one of the most reliable and accurate pistols I own.
 
Yes the bore is a little higher on the axis with SIGs, but the amount that it affects felt recoil is very slight. Folks are always telling me that a 1911 with an undercut triggerguard and hi-rise beavertail will recoil less than a GI gun, thanks to a lower bore axis. I'll be damned if I can tell any difference however.
 
I've found that my low bore axis G19 with a 20 lb recoil spring still flips a little more than my box-stock P228. Dunno why that is, but it is. I practiced with and carried my Sig for nearly a year, but decided I just don't shoot it especially well, even in SA. Probably a combination of factors, with the high bore axis just feeling awkward in my hand, especially when hunkering down to get a sight picture.

I carry a 1911 nowadays, and it fits me in many ways the 228 never did. But I still call it my precious, precious Sig. :)
 
Lavan,

I've owned and shot all kind's of firearms; both revolver's
and semi-auto's. My first semi-auto was a Colt Combat
Commander in .45ACP, and my last is a Sig-Sauer P228.
Theres not enough time to list all the one's that came in
between; and you probably wouldn't care anyway. The
only thing I haven't owned, and have no desire to own
is a "tricked out" 1911 variant. In my experience with
Sig's, which include the P220 in .45ACP, P226 in 9m/m,
P228 in 9m/m, and the P229 in .40S&W; the only one
I didn't care for was the P229, due to it's short grip
along with brisk recoil and muzzle flip from factory
ammunition. But, there again I don't blame the gun;
I just don't favor a .40 caliber in anything. If the need
ever arises whereas I need something of comparable
size, I will just have to use my beloved P220; which is
one of the finest shooting iron's ever made.

Best Of the Season To You & Your's,
Ala Dan, Life Member N.R.A.
 
I shoot .357 SIG and .40 out of a 229, 226 and Glock 32 (and formerly a G33 and SIG 2340), and I don't notice much if any increase in muzzle flip on the SIGs. IMO, the superior ergonmics of SIG's grip design more than compensates for any effect the high bore might have.
 
> I have never shot a SIG. When I look at them, it seems that the bore is very high in relation to the frame. I have never bought one because it seems that the recoil would be exaggerated. Is this true? Not meaning it would be MORE recoil....just more distracting as it seems it would exaggerate the lift. ?????

You can do the math! Take the muzzle energy and compute the moment arm! Being lazy, I shoot them instead. I was a long time M1911 owner and user before I bought a SIG P220. The SIG weighs somewhat less but I don't notice a big difference in recoil. All good pistols allow you to recover your sight picture quickly. Most shooters don't use a tight enough grip. I am extremely impressed with the SIG. If you don't know anyone who owns one, go to a commercial range that rents them out.
 
I have SIGs, Walthers, Berettas, Colts, Kimbers, FN........recoil and muzzle flip are all about the same to me.......not enough to write home about......Dan in GA
 
Shot and owned a lot of SIGs and none were any more snappy than other guns I've owned. My 229 357/.40 fells no different than my GLOCK, HK, or Beretta pistols.
 
First time I shot a 220 was during a timed drill. Partner handed me a hot Sig when my primary went dry. Very fast and very accurate with the Sig. Never noticed any additional muzzle flip. Was payin attention to the task at hand and not the gun. Worked just fine.

Sam
 
I rotate between a SIG 226 and a Glock 34. I've shot them so long that I can't tell a difference...if there is one I just automatically compensate.

I think that is true of most shooters who simply like to shoot!
 
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