Question for any L.E.O. on HiCap Mags

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18908148

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What does the law state about magazines made after the ban that are 10 rounders? Is it specificly that they can't be imported or sold to any non- LEO /Military?

can one Afro-engineer ones private magazines to hold more? :D
Cause I found a way to get my after ban mags to hold 13 rounds of 40, and I want to know if I can make it a perminate fix or if I should leave it changable.
 
You can have a pre-ban mag with 1000 round cap of you want. You just cannot have more than ten rounds in it. Personnaly I only need 2, anything else just costs me money...
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 18908148:
What does the law state about magazines made after the ban that are 10 rounders? Is it specificly that they can't be imported or sold to any non- LEO /Military?

can one Afro-engineer ones private magazines to hold more? :D
Cause I found a way to get my after ban mags to hold 13 rounds of 40, and I want to know if I can make it a perminate fix or if I should leave it changable.[/quote]

I'm not a LEO and this is what I believe the law reads. On a preban 'grandfathered' mag(one made before Sept. 13, 1994) you can modify it to hold any amount of rounds and you can keep as many rounds as you want in it (i.e. Glock 17-17 round preban mag and you add a +2 bottom for 19 rounds). If the mag was made AFTER Sept. 13, 1994 and was designed for 10 rounds only then making it hold more then 10 rounds is a FELONY (in the US). Also, if you were to possess any mag marked LEO/GOV'T USE ONLY (or something similiar) and you were not authorized to use or own such that is a FELONY (in the US).
BTW 10 round postban mags can be imported/exported like any other merchandise.
Robb
 
I'm with Robb. Three rounds per mag ain't worth a conviction that might cost you your RKBA!! I say leave the post ban ten rounders as they came and find some preban high caps if you think you need more rounds. Personally I don't feel slighted (tactically) with ten round mags.

That's not to say that I support or agree with govt. restrictions in any way on what can be had! I am against ALL gun control in a big way! I'm just saying that I don't think that ten rounds in the well is really a handicap and definitely not worth jail or jeopordizing my right to buy and own guns.

I hope you don't get caught with your modified mags.

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In otherwords it is illegal to make a post ban mag. to hold more than 10? Is that what the law states? Where can I find this to check it out myself?
 
It was my impression that pre-1994 mags were okay to buy/sell/own/use. Post 1994 mags are either lowcap (which are okay to buy/sell/own/use) or hicap (which are LEO only, civvies cannot buy/sell/own/use).

As far as altering lowcap mags into hicaps, I have no idea. Its probably hysterically illegal, and likely to get you in more trouble than if you engaged in less troublesome activities, like aggravated assault or dealing crack.

Also, I'm not a very PC person and I dislike PC restrictions on speech, but even I will note that 'afro-engineered' is a racist term.

Mike




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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 18908148:
In otherwords it is illegal to make a post ban mag. to hold more than 10? Is that what the law states? Where can I find this to check it out myself? [/quote]

Try cruising to the ATF's web site and looking it up.
 
Modifying a post-ban 10-round-only magazine to hold 11 rounds or more is unlawful.

It is a violation of Federal Law, and would be tried in a Federal Court.

LawDog
 
If it weren't illegal the term "Hi-Capacity" would never have been coined.

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LawDog,

I am sure you are correct re your interpretation of the Federal statutes.

I personally have no need or desire for more than "10+1"; thus, the following question really is entirely hypothetical.

I wonder how many individuals have actually been prosecuted under this law? My point is there's a big difference, as you know, between: (a) being arrested for a violation and (b) the Federal Attorney (and the DoJ) deciding that the specific offense merits the time, effort and money to prosecute.
 
I'm sure you can find this out by checking the Fed case books.

It's not so much the matter of someone being prosecuted, but rather the potential consequences. Say you're licensed carrying and have in your pistol an illegal LEO/military only. You defend yourself. You're pistol and mag will be confiscated while the matter is investigated. Somewhere in the process someone decided that while you're actions were justified you should be charged with violating federal law. Not fun.

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In my area, I don't know of anyone who has been prosecuted for carrying an unlawful magazine.

Now, I don't know if that means that someone just hasn't been caught yet, or if no one is carrying unlawful magazines.

It is my understanding that the chief federal prosecutor in each area is appointed by (hack, cough) the current Administration. Given the current Admin's antipathy towards all things involving weapons, I'm sure they'd consider the money and time well-spent. :mad:

LawDog
 
We need to quit calling them "high-cap" mags and call them "full-capacity" mags, in contrast to "limited-capacity" mags (post-ban 10-rounders). All the Crime Control Bill of 1994 did for us was to drive up the price of pre-ban mags and do away with another "right".

Why should I, a LEO, have the privilege of owning/carrying "full-cap" mags when my fellow non-LEO citizens cannot?
 
Here is a solution to all of your high cap woes get a glock G26 or G27 or G30 and you will have all the full capacity magazines you need, as well as a gun that shoots as well as a full size but conceals much better.
 
If you stay out of trouble, is anyone really going to check?
 
Does anyone know the law(s) concerning a LEO selling his/her used full cap handgun and mags to a civillian when he/she upgrades?
 
To the point of "staying out of trouble" so you won't get caught with an illegal magazine, why bother? If you have a reason for carrying the hi-cap magazine, you may have occasion to use the gun it's in!

As far as an LEO selling his hi-cap magazines to a non-LEO, if they were manufactured after the date of the 1114 Crime Bill, it's illegal.
 
I must agree with my Texan colleague. The capacity of a magazine has become a "class issue" now. It is certainly not a crime issue, except in the mind of the Socialist Fascists.

On the other hand, greater magazine capacity is an illusion for defensive purposes. How many adversaries do you anticipate, and how many misses will you make?

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Archie
 
If it is worth that much to you, and you are willing to pay the price if you get caught, do what you want.

For that matter, you can load a 460 Weatherby magnum with a compressed case full of Bullseye topped with a 600 grain bullet for all I care as long as I have enough notice to be on the other side of the hill.
 
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