Question about my new Lithgow Australian Garand

Clemmo

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I just purchase a new Garand last night with a Lithgow reciever made in Australia. It has a very low serial no. and I assume it's a parts gun, but the wood was really nice, and the gun store owner said they were nicer than the Century Arms guns.

Can anybody tell me anything about these guns.
I did a search on this board and Assault Web and didn't really come up with much.

Are there other boards for strictly Garand owners.

I've always wanted a Garand and this one looked pretty nice. It was sitting next to a Springfield that was slightly used for $200 more. Should I have went ahead and sprung for the SA?

Now, the bad part is that I have to sell some of my other toys so I can pay this off. The good news is that I already own a Model 700 in '06, so I have some ammo.
 
All else (except money) being equal, and assuming the Springfield M1 was GI (not Springfield Armory, Inc.) and if CMP purchase is not an option, I would have sprung for the GI M1.

I don't know about taking Fulton "with a grain of salt". Fulton would make money building rifles on those receivers, as they were to do on this one. Based on the pictures, I would have to reach the same conclusion as Fulton. Most of the other problems could be fixed, but a warped receiver indicates a problem in heat treatment that should not occur or should be caught in inspection. No matter what Fulton says, the pictures show a poorly made receiver with a lot of problems. I don't know how the sellers advertise them, but some people have been saying that the Lithgow receivers are forged and machined. This receiver is pretty certainly cast and not even well cast.

Jim
 
Is there any connection between the Lithgow military rifle factory and the current Lithgow, or is it like our "real" Springfield Armory and the commercial Springfield Armory, Inc., which uses the name?

Jim
 
Jim

In 1908 the Commonwealth Government announced plans to build a small arms factory at Lithgow. The decision was favoured due to Lithgow's proximity to essential resources (eg power, steel, transport, etc) as well as the security benefits afforded by the seclusion provided by the mountains. It is likely that Joseph Cook, formerly a Lithgow coal miner, and at that time, the Federal Minister of Defence, was influential in lobbying for the positioning of the factory in his home town.

Six men were sent to the United States of America to the firm of Pratt and Whitney to learn how to make rifles. In December of 1909 Mr F.R. Ratcliffe of Pratt and Whitney arrived in Australia to assist in the planning of the factory.

On 10 January 1910, the site of the factory was inspected by Lord Kitchener and was officially opened on 8 June 1912 with Mr. A.C.Wright as the first manager of the factory.


Many of the materials required by the factory were supplied from otherindustries in Lithgow. Steel required for the production of guns, forexample, was in part supplied by the Hoskins Brothers. Electrical power was initially generated on the site but was later obtained from the NSW Railways' Power Plant.

Increasing demands were placed on the factory during the first World War with production doubling and then later re-doubling. The production of Lee-Enfield .303 rifles increased during this time from 15,000 peryear to 80,000 per year. Over the period of the two world wars a total of 640,000 .303 rifles were made at the Small Arms Factory to assist the war effort (Brown 1989, p.86)

At the end of World War I, production began to decrease due to thedecreased demand for armaments. As a result, the Armaments Factory beganto diversify its production to include stream-lined wires and metal aircraft engine parts. By 1931 more than halfof the factory's production was linked to sound projection and sheep shearing machinery, Vickers Machine guns were also produced on site (Lithgow Public School 1947).
In the years before World War II items such as golf clubs, handcuffs, rifles and machine guns were made at the factory. When the war in Europe broke, production of armaments was again increased with the production of the Bren Machine Gun. This lead to considerable increases in employment at the factory.

A large forge and die sinking shop were constructed, reputedly the largest in the southern hemisphere, and new laboratories, boiler rooms and heat equipment were also introduced. The workforce at this time rose to 12,000 with the inclusion of increased shiftwork. This included 6,000 in Lithgow as well as an additional 6,000 in feeder factories established at Orange, Bathurst, Young, Forbes, Wellington, Cowra, Dubbo, Parkes, Portlandand Mudgee to assist the Lithgow operations (Lithgow District Historical Society Notes).

The Small Arms Factory was one of the major employers in Lithgow for some time and as a result of the rising work force during World War II a suburb known as Littleton was established with 'Duration Cottages' to house both workers and their families. An additional railway station at Cooerwull was also established to facilitate commuter travel from the Blue Mountains' towns.

After the war, tools, pencil sharpeners, sporting rifles and telephone parts have been produced. Operations at the Small Arms Factory have been significantly scaled down due to increasing government cutbacks.

http://www.lisp.com.au/~lithtour/smallarms.htm

I believe the factory is now part of ADI (Australian Defence Industries), a private company, which manufactures, inter alia, the Steyr F88 as well as sporting powders (US Hodgdon repackages Australian powders; e.g. "Varget" is ADI (Mulwex) AR2208).

This is an interesting sidelight, which helps explain a few things:

Before the Small Arms Factory at Lithgow was privatised, when it was a government institution, the Federal government made a decision to scrap two Pratt & Whitney rifling machines rather than auction them to Firearms Trade, it was stated by the Federal Government, at the time, that the decision was made as they did not want to be seen as encouraging the Firearm Industry . This was at the same time as they destroyed over 100,000 SLR L1A1 rifles that were our Strategic Reserve. My information up to date leads me to believe that those rifles have not been replaced by any others and at this point of time we have no Strategic Reserve of Firearms at all. Those semi-automatic rifles could have raised $100,000,000.00 for the Public Treasury, or if they were sold to the Australian Rifle Clubs, they would have been stored and cared for free of charge, and yet instantly ready for action by trained rifleman, or if we had the time, used by the rifle clubs or older members to train recruits for the large intakes which are necessary when War is imminent.

Small Arms Manufacture in Australia

Lithgow Small Arms Factory (which has now been privatised) has historically never conducted any of its own development work. All of its productions have been made under licence from the UK such as the Lee Enfield No 1 Mk III, Bren Gun, Vickers Medium Machine Gun, (the only continuous fire weapon used by the Australian Military, it has been taken out of service but never properly replaced), the UK /Belgium L1A1 SLR. Now the inauspicious Steyr Aug F88 made under licence from Austria.

The only development in Australian Small Arms military firearms was by Evelyn Owen, assisted by the Wardell brothers at the Lysaght factory during World War II. When the backs were to the wall with the Japanese attacking Darwin, Broome, Townsville and Sydney Harbour. Australia had an Army training with broom sticks for the second time in 30 years and only equipped with a rifle when they landed in New Guinea or Timor. The Australian "Brass Hats" were refusing supply of the vastly superior Owen Gun hoping for a future supply of inferior Sten Guns which they hoped to modify for Jungle warfare and call it the Austen, in every test against the Owen Gun, the Austen failed and was finally scrapped. The Owen Gun was so well thought of and successful it was ordered by the USA government, and was in service well into the Vietnam era.

Due to our parliamentarians total ignorance, and subservience to media hype they have slowly strangled all privately owned Small Arms Manufactures like Eley, Sportco, Fieldman, Super, Jongman and even paid AAA Pty Ltd of Tasmania, $2 million to close down and re locate in Malaysia.

http://www.senet.com.au/~brucehan/index36.htm

I believe Kimber was also originally an Australian company that left for "greener pastures" in the USA.

Incidentally, the Lithgow SAF (ADI) now makes a really popular (but expensive) lever action shotgun.

MODEL 1887 SHOTGUN LEVER ACTION

12 GAUGE. 5 SHOT TUBE MAGAZINE.

While Lawrance Ordnance does not normally stock new sporting weapons with the introduction of a new shotgun to the market 1 have decided to make an exception.

Recently invited to inspect a newly made shotgun, 1 was handed a modern reproduction of John Browning's Winchester 1887 lever action shotgun. On closer examination these guns, unlike many reproductions available on the market today, have a a high class finish that would be found on U.S. or some Japanese made firearms such as the Browning 1886 or the Winchester 1895.
I was then informed that these guns were made by ADI or as most would know it as the Small Arms Factory at Lithgow NSW

These guns are not a simple reproduction of the original 1887 but have used all the modifications implemented by Winchester up to 1901, and then through modern manufacturing techniques removed any of the manufacturing problems that were encountered in the late 1800s.

While the best of all the Model 1887's features have been retained, others have been changed to suit the modern market.

http://www.lawranceordnance.com/rifle.html (scroll down the page)

Hope this helps a little.

Bruce
 
Thanks for all your help.

I took the rifle back to the dealer along with the review from Fulton Armory.
He took the rifle back and let me get the Springfield Armory which was made in 1955.

It looks to be in excellent condition. I hope to take it to the range tomorrow after first going to a gun show here and getting some clips.
 
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