Pump-Action Police Rifles?

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Hey guys! Well I've know that Remingto has for some time offered a pump-action rifle in there "police" lineup. It's called the Remington 7615P Patrol Rifle, and quite frankly... I kind of like it.

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http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/7615.htm

I think it's pretty cool really, and I bet it's reliable. Looks like an 870 and an AR-15 had a baby. But... I've never actually heard of any LEO's using this rifle, or any pump rifle, at least currently.

So who buys/uses these things? I can't imagine that it would be more effective than a semi-auto AR-15... obviously the rate of fire is going to be slower... is reliability better? What is the draw to these vs. a semi-automatic carbine?

This has just got me scratching my head because while I think the gun is interesting, it just seems like an odd duck. Anybody got any information on these?

Thanks! :)
 
Got no info, I've got 7600 police .308 very happy with it to date, and it sells well here in aus because semi's out of reach to most of us. My friend has one in 7615 rates it heavily not as accurate as a good bolt gun but great fast action carry rifle.
 
The big draw of these rifles is their manual-of-arms similarity to the 870 shotgun....a plus for police training. Also, it didn't have the un-PC stigma of the AR-15/M-16.

Today, in the era of the "Waffen PD", those considerations don't matter as much.....
 
So who buys/uses these things? I can't imagine that it would be more effective than a semi-auto AR-15... obviously the rate of fire is going to be slower... is reliability better? What is the draw to these vs. a semi-automatic carbine?
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1. Who buys? You'll never know. Hush hush always when it comes to tactical military/LE weaponry.
2. More effective than a AR15? Probable not. Intimidating & as effective yes.
3. Reliability better? Its manual operation. Some fellows prefer such weapons verses the AR platform and similar entry weapons.
4. What is the draw to these: Little. Local LE now has the opportunity to request free military battle field surplus weaponry as seen in the Ferguson, MO. riots.
Select fire weaponry in the hands of civilian police departments often is observed these days.
 
I understand the need(albeit limited)

It is similar in operation to the police shotgun, offers rapid follow up shots and .308 offers significant performance over 5.56 NATO.
 
They were introduced several years ago and were a bust. They did not sell well to anyone and are no longer made.

Several reasons, #1 they cost almost the same as an AR and have several negatives. While they do use AR magazines, the only folks remotely interested were those living where AR's are banned. I've never known of any LE agencies using one.

The rate of fire is fairly fast, but for "aimed" fire very little faster than a bolt rifle. And they are almost impossible to work the action from prone or any other rest. unlike semi's or bolt rifles.
 
It was a PC product. The idea of transfer of training from an 870 was just hype. Many officers have shot the AR pattern in the service. It is also easier to shoot an AR than a pump gun.

That PC ploy was also behind the Ruger pistol caliber carbines.

Trying to avoid an EBR, Assault rifles - blah, blah.

It was homage to Chuck, Diane and Mike.
 
So who buys/uses these things? I can't imagine that it would be more effective than a semi-auto AR-15... obviously the rate of fire is going to be slower... is reliability better? What is the draw to these vs. a semi-automatic carbine?
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They are somewhat popular in Australia since semi-automatics have been banned since 1996. Gives Aussie shooters 10 quick rounds of .223 (or a full 30 in South Australia). But funnily enough pump-action shotguns are banned, go figure...
 
They were introduced several years ago and were a bust. They did not sell well to anyone and are no longer made.
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So, let me get this right; an item that shows up in the Current Remington Rifle website is 'no longer made'?
 
I have the 7615 straight stock police model. Accurate as all get out and my goto gun for everything from housecats to hogs.
 
I can't stand AR type collapsable stocks on anything but an AR.
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I completely agree (I don't even want them on my ARs) - but you can get the 7615 police in a variety of stock configurations - "normal", P-grip, or the collapsible.

I'd love to have a 7615 with a P-grip fixed buttstock or normal stock, particularly if I was in a commie state. The short barrel is handier than a regular 760 / 7600, for a self-defense type rifle.
 
I've had a couple of hunting 760's in my life and have one now. They are good guns. I have never seen a department that had any police model pump rifles and I have been in law enforcement for 28 years and counting. Now the pump 870 police is as familiar to me as day. Every department I know of has some of those.
 
I have one.......

.......and it's a fun little rifle. Whenever I get together with my shooting buddies, it gets shot the most by everyone. we all love it! And we also all own ARs and AKs. That's the only reason I didn't sell it during the last Obamasgonnagrabourguns crisis. And they were selling for $2500 then. That wasn't just the asking price, they were selling for that!

Can't testify to complete accuracy. All I got are the ghost ring sights. But we can pop stationary clay birds at 75 yards consistently. Finally got a rail mounted. Gotta figure out what scope I want(and can afford!). I have a couple of ten rounders for it and three twenties. Actually prefer the tens but the twenties are nice for camp. Feels funny shooting the thirties in it. I've read a lot of reports of great accuracy with scopes and real rifle sights The barrel is free floated after all. Planning on changing the stock over to a laminate next year. Hate plastic,...er..synthetic...uh wait,....polymer, oh crap! Polymer is handguns...... You get my drift. ;)

And I got mine in trade for a pistol that I paid $450 for. :D
 
Rem 760 .308

In the early 1980's, seems like I remember the US Border Patrol using pump .308's as duty rifles.....I saw them on the firing line at FLETC, and they were using plastic cased/plastic slug training ammo from Germany I think.

About 10 yrs before, the Nat. Park Service did indeed specify Rem 760's in .308 as their duty rifle, but I never saw any in the field when my career started in the mid 80's. About that time, the NPS went with the Mini14 as a duty carbine for a while.

The 760's were the 4+1 std sporting models....and the reasoning as explained to me was indeed that operation was similar to the 870.
 
I can see the advantages of pump rifles being comparable to pump shotguns. However, pump guns have disadvantages. I found disadvantages when hunting birds with a shotgun in heavy cover like alders and woods, when positions are similar to those found in combat situations, i.e. crouching, or moving around/over obstacles.

The pump requires a hand in forward position to pump the action, which when shooting from various positions, especially using cover, can be a big disadvantage. I switched from a pump to a semi-auto and got way more birds. I found I could fire up to five shots on flying birds within a short time. Recoil was minimized, so follow-up shots were much faster...at least for me. An important advantage is that the most important first shot could be taken quicker because subsequent shots, if necessary, could be more deliberate. The first shot is often sufficient. Timing is critical, since grouse flush so quickly (you make the correlation to defense).

With semi-autos, the left hand can be positioned closer to the receiver when crouching, or using cover. Also, if one arm/hand is disabled, a semi-auto can still be used very effectively.
 
This is a bit of a topic drift but interesting I think.
Believe it or not the Ohio State Highway Patrol STILL carries the ancient
Winchester self loading rifle in .351 Win. Caliber.
I love to buy one should they ever upgrade but fat chance on the public ever being let in on that.
Evidently the rifles are extremely well maintained, and the Patrol has beacoup ammo stored away.
 
So, let me get this right; an item that shows up in the Current Remington Rifle website is 'no longer made'?
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Yeah, pretty much. If you go to the top of that linked page, and click on the Home button, you'll see that you're looking at the 2011 catalog. The last time that I remember seeing the 7615 in the Remington LE catalog (the paper version) was about that time. I don't believe that they've updated their online catalog in quite a while.
 
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