Proud moments in TV Gun-lore

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I was watching a rerun of Law & Order SVU, I think it's from season 1 (but Dean Winters wasn't in it, so it might be laster). And the discussion of "Black Talon" came up, at which point KNEW they would say something about it being a cop-killer.

Well, they said it. But Det. Munch shot down the fact that they're "cop-killers" and that's why they were discontinued. Talked about how laywers caused the rounds discontinuation. I was pretty proud at that moment. Which then made me wonder who was writing the script or did consultation for this. I was pretty proud, never been a big fan of Dick Wolf's procedurals, but I think I'll give his work more credence in the future.

You ever been pleasantly surprised by TV shows before?
 
Good for them! It is rare that they think twice about a gun scene or a gun reference. I hope the days of the 14 shot .38 revolvers are gone!;)
 
Unfortunately, that one good moment doesn't really make up for 20 years of crap talk about firearms on that and the other Law and Order shows.

I still like them, though.
 
I have watched many episodes of Law & Order and find in general it to be a VERY anti firearm and Anti 2A program. I cannot site specific examples at this moment but that is the main reason I finally quot watching any of the L&O shows or spinoffs.
 
I can cite a specific example.

The one where a guy supposedly converted a semi-automatic to a fully automatic and killed a bunch of people in the park.

Sam Waterson got on his high horse and decided to go forth on a noble crusade and sue the gun manufacturer for knowingly selling a dangerous product.

It rolled out every cliche, fear mongering hysteria point, and bad image of guns that you could think of.
 
My wife and I watched a movie called "Nick of Time" (Johnny Depp and Christopher Walken) the other night. Not a great movie, although watchable. Anyway, at one point, Walken's character whips out a speedloader to reload a revolver. I hadn't seen that in a movie before. It told me that somebody with more than a Hollywood education in firearms had a role in the movie at some point.

At another point in the movie, though, a villanous woman in a van behind the seat on which Johnny Depp's daughter is fast asleep, says something to the effect that if she's holding a .357 magnum behind the seat, then when it goes off, the bullet will go through the seat (and anything inside it), through the girl, and right on through the engine block without even knowing it had hit anything.

Now, I know a .357 magnum bullet is humming along pretty fast, but I'd be surprised if it could go through an engine block after first passing through a seat, a person, a dashboard, etc.

DD
 
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SVU is one of the crappiest firearm shows on the planet. In one episode, Queen Olivia loaded her Glock with plastic bullets in order to knock down but not kill a guy who was going to set fire to his sweetie. :barf:

They also have no idea when to take a shot, which leads to all kinds bad things. Ice-T was at gun out contact distance with a guy who had a knife to a kid's throat and instead continued to just yell at him. Bah!

Eliot is too stupid to escape from a guy who has a gun on him when the muzzle is actually put in front of his head (so Eliot could disarm him).

My wife has to shut me up some time. But we like the show for entertainment.

Also, every idiot who shoots someone goes and puts the gun back into the underwear drawer instead of the river. :D
 
Ah yes just like the movie on Saturday, The sons of Katie elder. Good old John Wayne in the scene of the boys under the bridge he had 12 shooters before he tossed them for a rifle
 
I don't normally watch Law & Order, I prefer Homicide: Life on the Streets and Southland for procedurals (all 12 episodes of Southland... ugh need more), but when I think about it: Munch was a roll over from Homicide, so, it could be David Simon's influence on Richard Belzer that caused that outburst. I did notice that in SVU almost every gun they've ever mentioned was a .44, not a magnum, but a .44.
 
What I truly can't understand and grinds my teeth every time my wife turns on Law and Order: "Insert Acronymn", is that every time any of the officers pull out their weapons, there is inevitably the sound of them cocking their hammers back.
And they are issued hammerless, striker-fired Glocks. mostly 19's from what I've seen.
Every time a gun is drawn, that freaking imaginary hammer is pulled back and it annoys the crap out of me.

And in other shows like Criminal Minds, who do a much better job with 2nd amendment issues "most of the time from what I've seen" there are still glaring tactical contradictions.

For example, observe Special Agent Spencer Reid's holster setup:
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Do you think he's EVER been able to sit down in a car with that barrel pushing into his thigh or the grip jutting into his gut?
Or that Agent Morgan carries his handcuffs right at non-regulation 6 o'clock and still manages to fight off assailants without sustaining spinal injuries.
But the actors do seem to be reasonably well-trained with their firearms. They usually always show great trigger control and proper movement.

My biggest complaint of all was from a movie called "WAR" starring Jet-Li.
In an absolutely Blatant contradiction Jet-Li is looking through his potential arms in his gun closet and ejects a magazine from a Walther P99 which should be either a 9mm or a .40S&W. But it's not...
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It's filled with FN 5.7X28mm rounds that are the proprietary rounds used in the FN Five-seveN.
Just some peeves of mine. You're mileage may vary.
~LT
 
Does anyone remember the old "Combat" TV show? The whole series is available on Netflix and Blockbuster online. I started renting them for nostalgia purposes.

If you're a WWII fan, you'll find that the Germans are armed largely with G43's in the earlier episodes, which is correct for that period of the war. Nobody ever gets that right, even in big budget Hollywood blockbusters. Yet, this low-budget TV show gets that right.

By season 3 or 4, the Germans revert back to K98's - I don't know why, maybe the show changed who they rented equipment from, or maybe the G43's got too valuable to be thrown around by actors who are getting killed wholesale by SGT Saunders squad of heroes.

The DVD's are worth renting. Some episodes are a little silly, but others are very well written with quite subtle plot touches.
 
I enjoyed them at first, got a kick from seeing how they manipulated the legal system, and put up the the antigun jibes, until I saw the episode with the raped woman who was shooting at a range (in NYC?) with a "Desert Eagle .50 caliber" (it wasn't) with a 15rnd mag. Det. Olivia informs her that 15rnd mags are illegal in NYC, and she says "oh, I didn't know", and hands the Detective the magazine. Later in the episode, the rapist attacks again, and is killed by being stabbed with a pair of shears!

Now, I know a .357 magnum bullet is humming along pretty fast, but I'd be surprised if it could go through an engine block after first passing through a seat, a person, a dashboard, etc.
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FWIW, it might, if the bullet was built right. Back in the 1970s, some testing was done, using 1950s vintage cars and the .44 Mag. 3/4"plywood cutouts were put in the seats to simulate the resistance of people. Some loads fired through the trunk went through everything, trunk lid, seats, plywood, dash, and finally "raised hell with the air cleaner".

So I would think that with today's cars, (thinner metal, more plastic), a high end .357 load, with a hardcast bullet, fired from a barrel long enough to get top velocity might just make it to the engine, even going through a person on the way. Even if it doesn't, its still going to mess things up more than just a bit.
 
Very interesting, 44 AMP. Maybe the moviemaker knew more than I was giving credit for. Or maybe it just made for good dialogue, and they unknowingly said something that could actually be true.

I'd love to see more details about the tests you described.

DD
 
Thats what makes good fiction, a little bit of truth, and a lot of BS. Since I can tell they do it with guns, I will assume they also do it with law, courtroom proceedings, medicine, etc.

As to the tests, DogoDon, I recall reading them in a late 60s or 70s era Gun Digest annual, or some similar book. If I run across the info, I'll let you know.

One thing that really impressed me enough to remember the tests, was that the .44 actually blew loops of wire from the seat springs through some of the plywood cutouts simulating passengers!
 
The latest Hawaii 5-0 had a very "proud" moment, repeatedly!

the bad gun is shooting some sort of smg, but his grip with the firing hand is very low, so low that he can't reach the trigger, and yet he is shaking the gun so it fires:D


real proud gotta be Castle, when Kate and Castle is out in the countryside to check up on suspect, and they see him on his farm with a gun and castle wants them to arrest him: what for Kate says, it is his right, and not sarcastically either
 
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Now, I know a .357 magnum bullet is humming along pretty fast, but I'd be surprised if it could go through an engine block after first passing through a seat, a person, a dashboard, etc.
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FWIW, it might, if the bullet was built right. Back in the 1970s, some testing was done, using 1950s vintage cars and the .44 Mag. 3/4"plywood cutouts were put in the seats to simulate the resistance of people. Some loads fired through the trunk went through everything, trunk lid, seats, plywood, dash, and finally "raised hell with the air cleaner".

So I would think that with today's cars, (thinner metal, more plastic), a high end .357 load, with a hardcast bullet, fired from a barrel long enough to get top velocity might just make it to the engine, even going through a person on the way. Even if it doesn't, its still going to mess things up more than just a bit.
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There's a huge difference between making it "to" the engine as compared to shooting "right on through the engine block without even knowing it had hit anything." Assuming a bullet might even reach the engine, a lead bullet would basically flatten out on contact with the block. There might be sufficient energy there to crack the block, but the bullet isn't going to shoot through it. IMHO it would require an armor piercing round to even penetrate the block, and I doubt that would go through it.
 
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