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from: http://www.csmonitor.com/durable/2000/04/12/fp1s3-csm.shtml

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 12, 2000

PROJECT EXILE: A gun-control plan that even the NRA can love

Murder rate in Richmond, Va., has fallen by more than half since 1994.

Victoria Irwin
Special to The Christian Science Monitor

(RICHMOND, VA) Carroll Goldsmith sits on her porch on a soft spring evening, talking on the phone and greeting neighbors who stroll by. Her three sons are asleep inside. She pauses in her conversation as a truck rumbles by. "I could never do this before - sit outside at night and feel safe," she says.

When she and her husband moved to Richmond's Highland Park neighborhood nearly four years ago, gunfire was heard almost nightly. Children working as drug couriers carried firearms. Drug dealers arrested one day would be back on the streets the next afternoon. Virginia's capital city had, for the past decade, routinely ranked among the five American cities with the highest murder rate.

That has changed - dramatically - and residents like Mrs. Goldsmith give much credit to Project Exile, an aggressive, multipronged effort to crack down on criminals who use guns. The effect: The number of murders has been cut by more than half since 1994, guns on the street are far less common, and a fundamental change among Richmond's criminal element means the days of toting a gun in a waistband or a pocket have all but disappeared.

Since its inception three years ago, Project Exile has accomplished another seemingly impossible feat - winning the support of both the National Rifle Association and gun-control advocates. The NRA likes the project's emphasis on law enforcement (as opposed to creating new laws), and Virginians Against Handgun Violence sees it as a powerful tool that has involved the community so well that it's hard to find a corner of Richmond where Project Exile is not known.

The Clinton administration, for its part, cites Richmond as an example of how to combat gun violence, even as the president travels to Colorado today to push for more gun-control laws in the states. House Republicans, meanwhile, are scrambling to pass Project Exile block grants to replicate the program elsewhere. Already, it has been taken to Virginia's Tidewater region and Rochester, N.Y. New Orleans, Birmingham, Ala., Philadelphia, and Oakland, Calif., are modeling their own antigun initiatives after it.

To many, the key to Project Exile's success has been its inclusive, "all hands on deck" approach to enforcing gun laws. It involves federal, state, and local law-enforcement agencies, which work together to prosecute gun-toting criminals to the maximum extent of the law.

In Richmond, the word is out that an illegal gun means five years in federal prison, and enough criminals have been packed off to convince others to pack it in. Project Exile has stirred a "cultural change" on the city streets, says James Comey of the US attorney's office for the eastern district of Virginia.

The program started like this: Using existing federal laws, most cases in which a suspect used a gun were transferred to US courts, which have stiffer bond rules and sentencing guidelines. (Now that Virginia has passed broad enforcement laws, cases are split more evenly between state and US courts.) Since 1997, more than 380 sentences have been handed out, each averaging 56 months. At least 700 guns have been taken off the streets.

Besides the massive enforcement effort, Project Exile includes an aggressive public-information campaign. A coalition of business and community leaders, in conjunction with Richmond police, have launched an ad blitz to get out the message. One stark TV ad featured dead silence - in the hope that people in crack houses, where televisions are often blaring, would take notice when the noise cut to quiet.

Those involved in Project Exile - as well as the citizens who say they benefit - shake their heads over the nation's political tug-of-war over gun control. For Richmonders, Project Exile is not a partisan issue but simply a matter of common sense - and a big help in combating violent crime and neighborhood deterioration.

"Life was a war zone here," says Pam Smith, who lives in the Blackwell section of Richmond. "You could almost immediately see the difference after Project Exile started.... Now I'd say 80 percent of our neighborhood is safe, and people feel encouraged to say, 'We are not going to allow this sort of crime to continue in our home.' "

Morale among law-enforcement officials and other city workers, such as firefighters, improved as well, as they felt in less physical danger on the job. Even more encouraging for police was watching how gun charges became a serious issue, no longer just a revolving door back onto the street.

Mr. Comey acknowledges other factors are at play in Richmond's falling crime rate: community policing, education efforts in the schools, and business involvement. And though Richmond was resistant longer than most cities to crime trends, rates have dropped in most major metropolitan areas in recent years.

But Comey points to statistics that give weight to Project Exile's impact. The dropoff in murders here - from 139 in 1997 to 74 last year - has been staggering, with the biggest drop being in firearm deaths. The armed-robbery trend is similar - robberies involving knives and other nonfirearm weapons still occur, but robbery at gunpoint has dropped significantly.

Not that crime here has disappeared. Drugs are still a problem. "But there is a big difference between a crack dealer on your street versus an armed crack dealer," says Comey.

Project Exile is not without some doubters. Single mother Vicki Williams is still afraid to go out at night, and she has recently seen a young man with a gun in her drug-plagued neighborhood. Moreover, a federal panel of judges here has criticized Project Exile as a federal intrusion into state and local matters.

Mrs. Goldsmith, an administrative assistant at Virginia Commonwealth University, is involved in projects to revitalize abandoned buildings in her neighborhood. "Project Exile has made a great difference," she says. "It gave us a breather ... and a chance to deal with other issues."
 
Hmmmm, what a concept. Tougher penalties for crimes. Enforcing existing laws. Wow, that's an idea that nobody ever thought of! Now only if the idotic anti-gunners would realize it.

Even if crime was reduced 99.9%, I'd still be packing heat.

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Call me cranky, but the headline burns me. More media spin, "PROJECT EXILE: A gun-control plan that even the NRA can love".
They make it sound like the NRA fought it and are grudgingly allowing Clinton to implement it.

How about, "PROJECT EXILE: A gun-control plan that even Clinton (HCI, et al) love".

I thought the CSM was a tad better than the rest of the media. Time for another letter [groan].

As for the statement, ". . . a federal panel of judges here has criticized Project Exile as a federal intrusion into state and local matters." Well gee whiz folks. Make the State penalties the same as the Feds and ship the Bad Guys to the furthest reaches of the state. Virginia is already doing it, as per recent hearings on C-SPAN. It's probably more of the judges bitching about their
"flexibility" (i.e. turn 'em loose) being taken away by having to impose minimum sentences.



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I'll have to admit that I'm a critic of Project Exile. I think that the NRA has made a major mistake backing it, primarily because of the Federal involvment.

The federal laws against felons possessing guns was declared unconstitutional in 1971. Given the Lopez decision, that Congress can't ban taking a gun to a school because it has no Constitutional authority to intervene in a state criminal issue, especially under the preposterous notion that it is regulating commerce among the states, also means that the federal ban on felons possessing guns is unconstitutional.

The right way to go about it is to push the states to enforce their own current laws, not to call the feds in as policemen.

Furthermore, the numbers claimed by Exile aren't as impressive as they'd like you to believe. The murder rate increased during the 1st year of the program in Richmond. The current decrease now, is really only about 2% more than the standard national decrease.

The NRA is playing a very dangerous game when it is willing to sacrifice the Constitution for expediency. What leg is it going to stand on when our opponents say that we have to ignore the 2nd amendment for the good of the community?
 
The reason the feds haven't jumped on this prior is because they see a movement toward filling up their prisons using the laws they passed to do it. this places the animus on them to come up with the space and funds to keep these clowns. I have stated this for years and it is only now building momentum.

At least this may force the feds to reevaluate their zero-tolerance mandatory sentencing guidelines to make room for people who have actually done physical harm to another human being.

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Gun Control: The proposition that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose, is more acceptable than allowing that same woman to defend herself with a firearm.
 
I spit on Project Exile.

It sounds just peachy. Let's round up those 'real' criminals. Let's enforce the gun laws on the books!

Every single one of these laws is unconstitutional. Every one.

What happens when they 'exile' the FFL who screws up paperwork or breaks a Mass. law? How about the poor sap who puts a folding stock on his SKS and gets busted at a public range?
 
In the name of busting drug dealers, anyone in Richmond that has lawful possession of a small arm while also possessing a measurable quantity of a controlled substance is treated to Club Exile for five years; courtesy of the Feds.
 
Is it just me, or am I reading too much into this story...

They are looking at Project Exile as a gun control issue, not a crime control issue. Read over the article again. They talk of '700 guns being taken off the street' not '700 violent criminals being taken off the street.'

Am I being overly sensitive? You tell me!

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Several weeks ago a BATF agent and a US Atty came to Phoenix to ask us (Arizona Firearms Safety Coalition) to help them set up "Arizona Exile." They would prosecute and we would do fund raising for the billboards and bus signs, etc. One bus sign from Texas read: "An Illegal gun will get your five years in prison."

I told them that when I read that sign I thought it could mean me. Another rights activist and myself said in unison, "There should be no such thing as an illegal gun."

The US Atty said defensively in mutter tones, "But there *are* illegal guns..."

I asked him about Clinton's recent statement, "Alright, the NRA wants us to enforce existing gun laws, fine. But that means ALL gun laws..."

I asked if Project Gulag would ever be used against people like me because I had a bayonet lug on my post-ban AR15 or the wrong pistol grip on my FAL...

Their response was a blank stare.

Needless to say, I will fight the eventual comming of Project Gulag to Arizona.

Rick
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>In the name of busting drug dealers, anyone in Richmond that has lawful possession of a small arm while also possessing a measurable quantity of a controlled substance is treated to Club Exile for five years; courtesy of the Feds.[/quote]

Sounds okay to me. I may sound like a killjoy, but when you fool with controlled substances (the illegal ones), you pays your money and you takes your choice. Don't want five years? Then CCW away, but lay off the crack. Simple solution.

I'm a Richmonder too, currently in the process of moving into a neighborhood within shouting distance of Blackwell. I kiss Project Exile on the lips! I'll need all the help I can get! Of course, I listen to Oleg, too, so I don't plan on counting on the cops 100%. I'm prepared. But as far as Exile goes, I support it all the way.


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It doesn't surprise me that HCI supports it. It doesn't bother me that the current gun confiscators support it. That is to be expected. What blows my mind is that the NRA and *some* gun owners are pushing this tyrany.

Like most of us here, I support just sentencing for criminals. No decent person wants a violent criminal adding to the pain and chaos in society. However, the biggest criminals are those who gave us the gun laws that are now in existance!!! The sad thing is how very few recognize that fact. What difference does it make whether a crime was committed by a criminal using a knife, a base ball bat, a chain saw, or a broom handle? There should be just sentences for crimes, not some special catagory for GUN CRIMES, or hate crimes. For crying out loud!

Does the NRA actually think that once Project Exile is in place and the stats show that crime is on the decline, that the marxists that they've joined forces with will suddenly change their minds--their agendas and say, "Hey, lets give back the free exercise of the rights that have been violated for so many generations." One thing that you can trust a commi to be is a commi. You know where THEY stand. I don't honestly know what a gun owning enforcer of current gun laws can be trusted for any more.

I've given up hope on ever owning an automatic. Why? Gun owners have accepted that tyrany and many more. That fate was sealed many years ago. Want more? How about the biggest package of gun confiscation laws ever in American history....signed by a republican, the father of our GOP candidate. Lets better that bill with another package. We open it up and Happy Birthday, another gift from the commander in chief of the armed forces. Let's enforce THOSE too. :rolleyes:

Q: When will we gun owners ever realize that its the CRIME that should be the issue, NOT the TOOL which was misused by the criminal?
A: Maybe when we realize that our rights are given by our Creator -- that they are not favors given by our leaders. The Book has the answers, not the philosophy of pragmatism.

Because of a small minority of criminal gun owners, the rest of us decent law abiding citizens ASK to be punished by ENFORCING gun laws RATHER than REPEALING them!

As far as I'm concerned, we're still friends here even if we disagree on this issue. However, if it sounds like I'm preaching to the choir, you're absolutely right. It might take a little while, but we ALL will reap the consequences of Project Exile, and we'll all have to live with it once the nail is in the coffin.

I for one suggest that we forget about pushing for enforcement and rather focus upon REPEALING the existing gun laws.

The preacher

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