Problems with Rifle-Basix Sav-1, long post

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ndking1126

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I'd say close to a year and a half ago, I ordered and installed the Sav-1 on my Stevens action. No real problems with the install and the trigger has functioned perfectly. I used blue loctite and tested the crap out of the rifle before I was convinced it was safe to use. I don't have a gauge, but I would guess it was set at 1.5#. I've shot probably 250 rounds with the trigger.

Fast forward to 2 days ago to immediately after cleaning my rifle. While forcibly locking the bolt in place (ie, pushing the bolt handle towards the trigger, forgive me if my terminilogy is off as it usually is), it would cause the trigger to go off. If I lightly locked the bolt, it functioned normally. I also noticed that I could get the safety to "safe" only about once out every 4 tries... just feels stuck.

I thought maybe I had gotten some oil down in the trigger and given enough time to dry up or run off the mechanism, it would work normally. I tried again today and same problem.

My plan is to take the trigger completely apart and start over since the safety adjustment is the first thing you do during installation.

So, has anyone experienced this before? Is this trigger known for needing readjustments? Anything particular I should look for? I got it on sale so it was a great deal, but this has left me wishing I had gotten more of a "drop-in" trigger like SSS. Aargghh... I'm sure it will be fine, just a little frustrated at the moment.
 
I have no experience with the Rifle Basix triggers. What I have seen on Timney, Remington, and Vanguard would make me think you have too little sear engagement. Too little engagement on my Vanguard and the safety will not work. I think I had the same issue with my Timney triggers. And I know you can set up a Remington sear engagement where it will fire upon closeing the bolt.

If the Rifle Basix allows you to adjust sear engagement, add .005-.008 of extra engagement and see if it still fires while closeing the bolt. Then check to see if the safety is now working.

It also would not hurt to flush the trigger with a can of Ronson lighter fluid.

Hope this helps.
Dallas Jack
 
me too

I have a Basix on my FtR savage 110 rifle and it is giving me fits also. Not sure of the model, but it is the high dollar match trigger, that goes down to very light weight.

Much tweaking and I cannot get what I want. When I get close, the firing pin drops when the bolt is closed. I am told the company/owner/designer is great guy and intend to call soon.
 
I just repaired a customer's rifle with a similar condition. The main issue was the sear had rounded off and would no longer hold in the shallow engagement groove. Recutting the sear solved the issue.
 
I have a Basix trigger on a Marlin 981T 22LR had same problem and it was the sear had to be readjusted honestly while the trigger is super smooth I don't trust it use with care.
 
Thanks everyone.

Not sure of the model, but it is the high dollar match trigger, that goes down to very light weight.
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I think yours is the Sav-2, which is more expensive than mine. Mine goes from 1-3#, IIRC and yours is supposed to go down into ounces, IIRC.

I think I had the same issue with my Timney triggers.
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From what I understand, the Timney trigger for this rifle is very similar in design to my Sav-1.. supposedly they are both an adaptation to a previous trigger Savage used. So...

add .005-.008 of extra engagement and see if it still fires while closeing the bolt. Then check to see if the safety is now working.
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My orignal plan was to just go in and add extra engagement because I remember how little "overlap" the sear had on its surface, but I wanted to take it all apart so I could get to the safety adjustment. If adding sear engagement also could fix the safety then that would save me a bunch of work! :)

I'll get the work done in next day or two and let you know what I found. I'll take pictures if anything jumps out at me.
 
Striker fired rifles usually have two types of triggers, one where the trigger squeeze pulls down the sear, and one where the trigger squeeze moves something out of the way of the sear so that it can "fall away" immediately.

The first type has a problem with low trigger weights because when there is any slop in the bolt the bolt can push DOWN on the sear engagement which will cause the trigger to go to the "fired" position. In a Savage the bolt won't allow the firing pin fully forward until the lugs are engaged, so there is hardly any chance of a misfire.

The fix? You need to increase your trigger pull weight to keep the sear engagement surface from being pushed down or you need to ensure that the sear engagement has good contact.

The "accutrigger" is designed to fix this problem the same way the old two stage military triggers did, with a prep movement that sets up for the second stage release (but with much more complex engineering).

Jimro
 
Follow Up

I'm back on R&R and finally had a chance to look at this thing. The sear had been rounded off. I added a little extra engagement (and a hair more trigger pull weight) and its back to working normally. Banged it around, hit it, etc and it's good to go.. for now. I also adjusted the safety a little and that seems to be better than the first time around. I am glad about that. It was also good to see the blue loctite had done its job, none of the screws had budged.

This is really disappointing, as I have to assume it will be only a matter of time before the sear is worn down again and I will have to readjust. Between firing and dry firing (not very often, but sometimes), I've probably pulled the trigger less than 750-800 times. That's just not acceptable. As stated, the pull is smooth and consistent, and it was easy to install and adjust, but if its going to wear out this soon, I don't see myself buying a Rifle-Basix trigger any time soon.
 
You really need a "trigger-pull guage" for complete installation of a new trigger assembly. Having said that, look into Timney, I installed one on my Vanguard because I didn't like the creep nor the adjusting of the factory trigger.
It has been nothing but stellar thus far staying at a pull of 2.5 lbs since installation, 0 creep, and it really does break like a glass rod,(which I like) easy to install. And now I have a three position safety, (which I like) and functions perfectly each time man!!;):)

Just sounds to me like not enough life for the money in the Rifle Basix you purchased.
 
You really need a "trigger-pull guage" for complete installation of a new trigger assembly
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In my infinite cheap-ness, I have weighed enough Dr. Pepper cans to know for sure they weigh about 17 oz each and a wal-mart plastic bag weighs basically nothing :)
 
Not sure if this helps NDKing but i had a Rifle basix trigger put on one of my rifles and it had excessive creep straight away.I took it back to the shop and they had a new gunsmith doing their work,he had a look at it and asked me if i had tried to adjust the weight of pull.I told him that the gunsmith who installed it asked me what weight of pull i wanted and that he would adjust it to suit.The new gunsmith informed me that my rifle basix trigger wasnt meant to be adjusted and that by doing so the original gunsmith had wreaked havoc with it.He claimed that he fixed it after a heap of trouble but when i tested it it still had creap in it so i have just returned it to get it replaced.Not sure if you have the same model and im also not sure if the new guy is telling me the truth or trying to deflect blame from the product to the old gunsmith but maybe check with the manufacturer to see if they are adjustable.
 
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