Primary Arms Microdot vs Vortex Sparc vs Lucid HD7

wnycollector

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I have a KISS 14.5 BCM middy/Cav Arms franken-AR with a MI fixed backup iron sight. I have decided to put a red dot on it. Since the rifle is not a duty gun, I cant justify dropping $400-500 on an Aimpoint Pro or T1. As the title of this thread states I'm looking at the Primary Arms Microdot, Vortex Sparc or the Lucid HD7. My research (and gut) tell me that the Primary Arms microdot will do anything the other optics can do, but for just less money. Also, I would like to keep my MI fixed rear sight, so folks who run a fixed rear sight and one of these red dots please chime in! Thanks in advance.
 
Here's my two cents worth. First I have no experience with the Lucid, so this is for the PA and the Sparc.

My first PA optic held fine on an AR for a good long while and lots of rounds, moved it to a 7.623x39 rifle and it came apart within 30 shots. Warrantied for another sight, same 7.62 rifle killed that sight within 20 shots. Warrantied again for a PA Micro, the illumination dial went bad after less than 20 shots. Warrantied for a Sparc, works perfectly.

Since then I've purchased another PA Micro because it's for an AR only. So far it's been great. So I feel that the PA optics are not all that durable, or at least the quality is very random.

I have some other notes that may be of use. The PA Micro is notably smaller than the Sparc and if you use a both eyes open technique the Sparc's left side is a little intrusive. It's not a deal breaker but the Micro is a lot better.

I feel that the Sparc has much bigger parallax error than the Micro. Much bigger.

The Sparc comes with three mount heights which is extremely useful. It also has a 2x magnifier which I found nearly useless.

I personally like the rotary dial of the Micro a lot better than the Sparc's up or down buttons (which is very similar to an Eotech layout). For me the Micro is faster to adjust.

Primary Arms' warranty is one year. Vortex is lifetime.
 
Once you get past the size aperature and type reticle, then a lot of other factors pop up.

Will a riser at extra cost be needed? What type battery power, is the effective battery life acceptable? Weight? Type of mount, do you really need to take it off and have it return to zero? Warranty and service? What reports do you have from other owners, what's the company background?

In your list of choices I ordered them in my research Lucid, Sparc, PA. I view good customer service as having the better design so it won't need postage at all. It boils down to the vendor cranking out better quality, which is going to cost more, so you do get what you pay for.

Red dots are a bit pricey overall, compared to the same money in binoculars you get half as many lenses that don't focus and are simple flats. Add an LED and voila, all thats left is making it so it won't fall apart. IIRC all three of these sights are made in the same plant in China, along with Eotech and Aimpoint components, which goes to show each has their own quality standards to research.

One way to help select would be to write down the features you have, prioritized, and then rate the scopes as you see it, 1 - 2 - 3. Lowest score wins, buy it and try it.

If it's has any impact at all, I believe the one reason Aimpoint came out with the PRO was to compete directly against the Lucid. It's that good and they couldn't ignore the money going to them.
 
Since the rifle is not a duty gun, I cant justify dropping $400-500 on an Aimpoint Pro or T1

I was in the same position a while back and just decided to pony up the additional $200 for the Aimpoint PRO over the Vortex SPARC.

Frankly, it was WELL worth the money. The difference in cost isn't a whole lot in the scheme of things, and you end up with a much nicer product. The PRO is built like a tank, and I love the fact that you can just leave it on all the time.
 
I was in the same position a while back and just decided to pony up the additional $200 for the Aimpoint PRO over the Vortex SPARC.

Frankly, it was WELL worth the money. The difference in cost isn't a whole lot in the scheme of things, and you end up with a much nicer product. The PRO is built like a tank, and I love the fact that you can just leave it on all the time.

I made the same call, and if all of the stars fall into alignment by March 15 (and the country doesn't degrade into anarchy before then), I'm gonna replace the PA Microdot on each of my rifles with a PRO.
 
Ive had bad experiences with PA.

Seems like everytime i try to cheap out on anything I get hosed. Lessons to be learned.

About 30 rounds in my m3 clone before meltdown. Sent it back and got a new one that lasted for about 100. Took it off and shot it(the sight) a few times. Never called them again.

I figure if its not even good enough to plink with it sure-as-hell isnt good enough for competition or HD.
 
About 30 rounds in my m3 clone before meltdown. Sent it back and got a new one that lasted for about 100. Took it off and shot it(the sight) a few times. Never called them again.

The PA MicroDots on my big ARs have been fine through several thousand rounds. I have a PA M4 on a .22 rifle, and it's also been reliable.
 
plouffedaddy, nice review on the HD7. It's refreshing to see a review with real world accuracy numbers. Reading most forums you would believe every AR shoots .5moa.
 
plouffedaddy...the Lucid in your review looks huge...I have the Vortex Strikefire and the SPARC...the Strikefire is comparable to the Lucid...microdots are about half that size, true?
 
PT--Yes, that's true. I really don't find the Lucid to be huge at all, but that may be because I shoot the ACOG all day at work... The microdot is pretty tiny. That's one of the reasons I bought it; I have it on an AK so I wanted it to mount low due to the AKs ergonomics.


madcratebuilder---I agree. I'd love to see all those supposed marksmen with their non-free floated ARs that shoot 1 moa. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I spend a lot of time on ranges and I'm usually one of the best shooters out there and I can't shoot like that...:confused:
 
The PA MicroDots on my big ARs have been fine through several thousand rounds. I have a PA M4 on a .22 rifle, and it's also been reliable.

Yeah a lot of people seem to have success with them. Mine was on a .308 which i pretty sure it was supposed to be good for.

Still not a bad choice for a range or hunting gun, but i wouldnt trust my life to it is all.
 
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