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Newton24b

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why do we base someone upon the amount they can spend on a new gun?

sure alot of you have the ability to have a place that will sell you a ruger redhawk in 44 mag for a mere 48% of its msrp price, but thats not the case.

so please when you insinuit someone is a clod for purchasing a 400 dollar taurus,rossi, charter and not that 425 dollar ruger you can buy down the blok at joes tackle and gun

realise that that is not the case. i gotta spend 20 bucks in gas just to get to a gunstore that deals in revolvers PERIOD. and when you want something they dont have on a shelf, you gotta pay the msrp to have them order.
 
We all have our likes and dislikes and it seldom has much to do with the price. I have a few inexpensive guns that keep up with the high-end stuff quite nicely, and I'm not the only one.
Hope you get a good gun dealer nearby soon. Maybe if you get to know your current one he'll cut you a little slack on future purchases.
 
Newton24b, a couple observations:

1) We aren't judging the person on his income, we are judging him on his priorities. If $25 or $100 is enough to make a person opt for a gun with an uneven reputation for reliability over one that is regarded as a tank, then one probably needs to adjust priorities for a week, or a month, since most people will spend that $25 or $100 on some pretty silly stuff in that time interval.

1b) I don't think anybody rips somebody over getting a reliable, inexpensive gun (Glock 19, etc) as opposed to an H&K; there is a difference in price, and features, but not reliability.

1c) That $25 savings on the Taurus will be eaten up if you ever have to use the warranty, as Taurus makes you pay the shipping, according to Taurus owners on TFL.

2) If you are paying MSRP when your LGS orders something not on the shelf, you need to find another LGS. I NEVER pay MSRP, and I order things on a semi-regular basis.
 
you can pick up used(nice glocks) for 325.00-400.00 range.I bought a sig 229 2 years ago for 430.00.I'm about to pick a sig 226 2 tone for 475.00.

Unless you don't want to look,the better guns can be had for about the same as the new ones you speak of.

But for the most part agree that if the gun shoots and shoots well,keep it and carry it.

which brings me to my next solution,by on-line.First see what you want then find it on-line.

www.summitgunbroker.com
www.cheaperthandirt.com
www.jgsales.com
 
I bought an M1A1 this year for 700 bucks. Sure, I could have offered three grand. I'm sure it would have been accepted. Why would that price make it a better rifle? By the same token I don't crow about the price to guys who paid more
 
so many bash taurus based on the price and the assumed reputation from some individuals as being crap, yet ayoob who most here LOVE and WORSHIP when it comes to ccw tactics still recommends the taurus model 85 as a good reliable low cost gun.

the big problem is that if you cant get to a dealer that will do the standard prices according to the oracles here, whatsthe point? seriously, ive tried to purchase online and do the transfer through them but they dont want to do it.
and if im going to buy a gun im not going to pay current msrp for a gun thats beat to crap and 60 years old.
 
There are $300 guns I would own and recommend. There are $700 guns I wouldn't own or recommend.

I think a lot of people assume that it's all about price. Personally I think an inexpensive gun that performs is a great find. But that does NOT mean I think every inexpensive gun is worth owning or recommending.
so many bash taurus based on the price
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As a mod in the handgun sections I've had to read nearly every Taurus thread on TFL because they frequently turn ugly and require cleanup work and/or a close.

As such, I don't believe anyone can argue with me when I say I've seen a lot of folks post negative things about Taurus and Taurus products. So, with that as the background, let me say that offhand I can't recall anyone saying that the problem with Taurus products is that they're too inexpensive. The negative comments I've seen almost inevitably focus on poor quality control, poor customer service or other performance problems with the company and (some, but not necessarily all of) its products. NOT the price.
 
Regional pricing.

Hello Newton,

Although there is some snobbery posted here (as in any internet venue) I think the problem is more likely a case of price ignorance. There are people using this forum from every state in the USA and many from other countries. Many of them are unfamiliar with pricing in regions they haven't lived in and/or been to. Also, many here have been able to make internet purchases with dealer transfers and that is part of the low price expectation. With so many new guns purchased through online venues and second-hand guns available through Gun Broker and the like, lots of people have become not only averse to paying MSRP, but in some cases completely unaware of it.

Another part of the issue is experience. I don't know how long you've been shooting or shopping for guns so I make no assumptions of you, but I know that for many folks here they develop a certain method of shopping and a certain set of preferences as they get more involved. This especially applies to brands and styles, i.e. Sig vs Glock, Colt vs S&W, revolver vs auto, etc.

I definitely agree with the suggestion about getting to know your local dealer. I have bought many guns from the same shop and it has resulted in a great relationship with the manager and, in turn, a few good deals and discounts. This may also open the door for internet transfers (after some repeat business).

At the end of the day, people like what they like. As long as YOU come away from a deal happy and have gotten what you feel to be a good deal that's all that matters. You will find everyone here from SIG snobs to Hi-Point haters to Makarov fanatics. There is something here for everyone. Hope I've said something useful or constructive in all of this.

Best Regards,
Johnnie T.
 
Some people have indulged in "reverse-snobberism" (if you buy a gun that's more expensive than what they deem as "prudent", they play the snob card). In my view, the price a person is willing or not willing to pay for a gun should not in any way reflect on their character or mind-set. There's room for everybody in my boat. :)
 
I have a Taurus that has been much less problems than a Sig I own.

that said typically you get what you pay for. I all so have it easy as my favorite gun dealer is on my way in to town so any time I go in to town I pass by it so I don't burn extra gas.

Most of my local pawn shops don't carry guns and the own that does will not buy or sell handguns (they think they are wall-mart). If I want to go to a pawn shop to buy a gun I do have to drive a ways but before I go I will call and ask them what they have to see if its even worth it.
 
You know what, buy what the hell you want, what makes you happy, for whatever reason.

Someone starts giving you grief because it's not expensive enough, immediately take them up on your offer to purchase you the gun of your choice.
 
People come here to get others opinions and advice. If someone does not want to hear what I or others have to say, then don't ask for advice.

Most of the cheaper guns end costing more in the long run. You can pay $400 for a gun today that will be worth $200 ten years from now. Or you could find a way to come up with another $100 and buy a $500 gun today that could easily be worth $1,000 ten years from now. Seen it happen over and over again in my shooting days.

I never could understand someone making a decision to buy a far inferior gun based on a price difference that only equaled the cost of 2-3 boxes of ammo.

It really is about decisions and about how we CHOOSE to spend our money. Anyone who can afford to buy a computer and pay for internet access can afford a quality gun over a budget gun.
 
which brings me to my next solution,by on-line.First see what you want then find it on-line.
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I really dont understand how buying guns online works. Do you go to the gun dealer first and say, "I want gun XYZ from XYZ website"? When I was looking for my Glock 35, five different gun shops in my area had a really hard time finding one, but they are everywhere online. Also, dont you have to pay the $20+/- for the transfer and shipping?
 
Buying online--assuming that your state law doesn't create additional complications.

Step 1 is the critical step.

1. Find a local FFL holder and make sure he's aware of what you intend to do and is on board with your plans.

2. Find a gun online you want to buy and have your FFL holder send his information to the online seller.

3. Buy the gun from the online seller and have him deliver it to your FFL holder.

4. Go to the FFL holder and take possession of your firearm just as you normally would during a purchase and pay him the agreed upon fee.
 
Also, dont you have to pay the $20+/- for the transfer and shipping?
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Yah - transfer fee maybe but its more like $25.00 around where I live BUT no shipping costs generally [Like Buds] and NO taxes.

So - I gotta say - online tends to less expensive.

As far as price snobs...I go for the generally inexpensive and the moderately expensive.

inexpensive gun (Glock 19, etc) as opposed to an H&K
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I don't see Glocks as inexpensive - $550.00 for the Gen 4s...Taurus is inexpensive, even M&Ps are now a bargain by comparison. FNXs are $525. To me Glocks, like CZs were bargains for the quality point, but both have seen their price points moving north...

I see Glocks as mid priced.

My pistol price point range tends to be the $300.00 to $1000.00 range [very rare for me to go there]. I also tend not to be a one brand kind of guy.
 
Newton,

There is an old saying, "If you spot it, you own it."

Why do YOU "base someone" (whatever that means) on the amount they can spend on a gun?

When you state "we" do that, you are painting with a broad brush, and making an erroneous assumption.

Mike
 
I have some "cheap" guns I would trust my life with and have carried. I also have some expensive guns. I have never thought members here were price snobs. I used to own the Taurus clone of the Beretta 92 and I have never seen anyone diss it. Other Tauri, yes, but not because of the price.
 
I really dont understand how buying guns online works. Do you go to the gun dealer first and say, "I want gun XYZ from XYZ website"? When I was looking for my Glock 35, five different gun shops in my area had a really hard time finding one, but they are everywhere online. Also, dont you have to pay the $20+/- for the transfer and shipping?
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I go around to local dealers and look at what i want,then i find the same gun online and buy from them,usually summitgunbroker.

used glock 22 gen2 locally sold for 450.00
used glock at summit is 325.00 + 18 +20 tranfer fee. total 363.00 and a plus because i don't give any money for local taxes

i save 87.00

A friend just bought a sig 238 for the low price of 718.00,at summit they are 595.00 = 633.00

she could have save 85.00 but she said she didn't because doesn't like to buy guns online even though she has never done it before :(

$85.00 is a holster and some ammo
 
Generally, you get what you pay for, when dealing with reputable people.

If you buy Taurus, then you deserve it. It's not like you did not know.....
 
spodwo, if you really want a Glock, join GSSF, the Glock Shooting Sports Foundation. I think it costs $35 for an annual membership. Not only will it enable you to compete at GSSF events, but it will allow you to buy a Glock at LE prices - around $400.

You can also get them in the $400's if you are active, reserve, or retired military; FFDO; LEO; etc.
 
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