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Idaho Mike

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Could this election crisis be the Big Stupid Thing that will plunge this country into economic, social and political chaos?

If Gore loses by a razor-thin margin, will the Great Unwashed riot in Chicago, L.A. and other urban hellholes?

If Bush similarly loses, will Middle America, and especially the Conservative Western and Southern states, recognize Gore's legitimacy?

For the first time since the 1960s, I'm starting to feel revolution may be at hand and SHTF could be a reality.

What do you people think?

[This message has been edited by Idaho Mike (edited November 12, 2000).]
 
there has already been people saying before the elction that the nation is dividing and you can just watch 30 mins of news and see it, the south cant stand algore and florida isnt the south,
 
Well, I've got a guest house that uses wood fuel, a creek-fed well, 7 acres of woods with enough fallen timber to keep me warm for years, eight apple trees and a berry patch, nearest town has 99 people.

The big lake is a 10-minute walk away, deer and wild turkeys are walking in my yard as I write this, I've got a generator and 60 gallons of gas, two mountain bikes with new tires, and 20,000 rounds of ammo.

My Y2K stuff is still there - about 6 months of food and 110 gallons of water stored.

My wife and I could probably survive the worst, at least for a few years. There's no gangs here, no racial issues, we're on a private road with 12 houses and we're probably as safe from human predators as much as it's possible to be.

Thanks so much, Al Gore!!!

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I doubt this will lead to significant violence, but it is certainly possible. More likely, IMHO, if Bush is recognized as President. Gore's supporters include more of thte violence-prone members of our society.

And, while those of us with mountain redoubts may feel more secure, frankly, I think we kid ourselves a bit.

Turn this country into something resembling Yugoslavia, and I think those small, safe towns could be easily overrun.

The polarization, and hatred in this country is increasing. But, I'll wager that cooler heads will prevail.

Regards from AZ
 
Jeff,

I moved up here from Tucson, where there were 4-5 murders a week, almost all gang- or drug-related.
I was on the Tucson Water system, and the quality of water since they plugged CAP back is very low. The big line from the CAP reservoir broke last year and flooded a neighborhood, and would have cut the city off entirely from water - luckily, CAP had not yet been turned back on. The city, in its wisdom, had constructed only single large pipe to bring water to Tucson. They have not changed this arrangement, despite the near-disaster.
I like having my own well and groundwater very close to the surface. In the event of unrest, or even a cascading power outage, Arizonas will have no water, even if they don't need heat. They will panic fast, since most people don't bother to stockpile water.
I was in Tucson in 1983, when a 10-day rain wrecked or closed most of the bridges in the area. I lived in the northeast area, and we were cut-off from the city. On the third day, we drove to the local supermarket, also cut-off from any roads. People were lined-up by the hundreds, buying what little "food" was left, such as gallon jars of pimento olives! Things like bread and milk were long since sold out. And this was only after three days.
What really worried me about southern Arizona was the nearness to Mexico. If economic disaster hits, those 1.5 illegals crossing every year will swell enormously. The problems will be epic in nature.
I took a HUGE pay cut to move to this mountain area, but my wife doesn't worry about being killed every time she drives out of town.
There's a lot to be said for a "mountain redoubt."
Check out the flick, "The Last Valley."

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If the Rodney King verdict caused such an outcry as to incite riots that it did, I can only imagine what a Bush victory might spark. Just as most of us fear a Gore presidency, so do others fear a Bush win. If Gore manages to usurp it, I don't see violence happening. If Bush takes it, there will be rioting in urban areas. I have started to consider what long guns should be stowed in the vehicle.

Unless of course say 99% of the absentee ballots are for Bush making him a clear winner. Then business as usual probably but I am guessing they will be split pretty evenly.
 
Something to remember about riots that have happened in urban centers in the past: The moronic rioters have done nothing much more than destroy their own neighborhoods. When they tried to mess with the Korean shop keepers in LA, they got set back a little. If a riot is nothing else, it is a perfect justification for self defense.

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst and keep your powder dry.

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Idaho Mike;
Sounds like you have a good place with a good chance of making it.Remember one thing. Not all your nice people on your road might have not stocked as you have.When there kids are hungry they might not be nice people anymore.The unprepared have allways scared me the worst.They are the one that normaly believe nothing can happen and when it does they expect all to help them.That alone can make things nasty.
Good luck

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Bob--- Age and deceit will overcome youth and speed.
I'm old and deceitful.
 
I worry about civic unrest, since I live in roughly the center of a major urban area. During the summer, it isn't uncommon to hear full auto fire, or the occasional pop, pop, pop of someone firing a nine...

Should the urban situation begin to disintegrate (not predicting it, but hey, I like to have all the options covered...), is there anyone within an hour or so of St. Louis who could dig an extra houseguest? My truck will be saggin' on the springs...
 
Guys, guys! Let's not give these "people" (used only in the strictest biological sense) more credit or weight than they are due. Politicians of every stripe are eating all of this controversy up with a spoon. They love the self-agrandizement of it all. It helps to prop up their flaccid egos and perpetuate the myth that we can't do without them. Rubbish!

Let's see, it's been eight days without a declared president-elect and guess what? We're all still functioning as a society and a country! I still go to my job and do it myself without the help (but certainly with much indirect hinderence) of Joe Blow in city hall, Denver, or D.C., and I'm sure you do too.

Don't be lulled into thinking that one politician or another is our savior. To be truthful about all of this, WE don't need them, THEY need US. ANY politician is not to be trusted (trussed up, maybe) any farther than one can spit. They're like the not-quite-right relative or neighbor you wouldn't feel comfortable leaving your kids with alone. They require CONSTANT attention, a short leash, firm use of a choker-chain collar, and an occasional whack on top of the head to remind them who's the boss.
DAL

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DAL:
Guys, guys! Let's not give these "people" (used only in the strictest biological sense) more credit or weight than they are due.

Let's see, it's been eight days without a declared president-elect and guess what? We're all still functioning as a society and a country!

DAL
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Absolutely right! If we never had a President again, we'd get along just fine. Worst thing that could happen would be that, lacking a President to sign legislation, everything would be subject to a "pocket veto"--and that just means the Congress has to vote to enact the legislation again, by a 2/3 (I believe) margin.

Say. Did I say the worst thing? That would be GREAT! Requiring 2/3 approval before anything became law would be a godsend, especially with a Congress split right down the middle. Gridlock is your friend.
 
There will indeed be some unrest and it should be entertaining as hell!

Regardless of the outcome of the election the Clinton-dependant will once again reveal themselves to the world and, either through an outrage at losing or a celebration of victory, they will loot their own neighborhoods and burn their homes to the ground. It won't go much farther than that. It will all come to an end once welfare check day arrives and society, the economy and (ugh) politics will continue to roll on.

The worst thing that will happen here in Idy-ho is a loss of production as everyone will be gathered around one of the cable news channels having a good laugh.
 
Fact is kids.....

If Congress took a 4 yr vacation and never showed, we'd be better off.

Gov't ( at best) makes stuff easier.....it doesn't fix bupkis. We all still have to go to work, clothe the family, teach the kids, and walk the dog...that hasn't changed in 500,000 yrs.

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
What do you people think?

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I think I bought nothr box of cartriges today.
 
If Bush wins I don't think there will be too much rioting. Those senior citizens in Florida can't even vote correctly. I doubt they are much of a threat. :D

On the other hand, if Gore "steals" this election, there will be several million pissed off gun owners!!!


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Danny45
NRA, NAHC, Buckmasters
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Idaho Mike:
Could this election crisis be the Big Stupid Thing that will plunge this country into economic, social and political chaos?

If Gore loses by a razor-thin margin, will the Great Unwashed riot in Chicago, L.A. and other urban hellholes?

If Bush similarly loses, will Middle America, and especially the Conservative Western and Southern states, recognize Gore's legitimacy?

For the first time since the 1960s, I'm starting to feel revolution may be at hand and SHTF could be a reality.

What do you people think?

[This message has been edited by Idaho Mike (edited November 12, 2000).][/quote]

Mike, I'm in agreement. This could be the start. I'm 65 and I have watched things goes "south" for the last eight years. The "inmates" are running the joint. :o
 
C'mon, fellas. We've weathered worse than this. Vietnam, Watergate, and other crises have tested us. Stand together. Stay calm. And remember that everyone on our side of the barricades is, to some extent or another, on our side.

Sure it's good to prepare for the worst, but let's not cry "Wolf!"

[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited November 16, 2000).]
 
I have lived the last eight years without a President so I figure I can live another four without one ;)

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