Pre-Ban AR15 value?

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Joe Klug

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Got a question for those of you more familiar with these things than I am. I am wondering what you think a used, pre-ban, Olympic Arms CAR15 is worth. It is in probably 85% condition, comes with 1-20 round magazine, a quick detach scope mount (stud goes through hole in carry handle) and a sight adjustment tool. Barrel length is 16" and has an "Ultra Brake" screwed onto the end of the barrel.

Please, no replies to ask on AR15.com. I prefer to talk with the people I know and have some respect for, the members of TFL.:)

Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide.

Joe

Edit: I forgot to mention, it has an ex-military stock with a number painted on it and a "black warrior" pistol grip. Cheapo stuff but I think these can be replaced for about $35. Didn't know if it would make a difference or not in the value question.



[Edited by Joe Klug on 01-14-2001 at 01:35 PM]
 
I'd check and make sure it is a real pre-ban. Check Oly's site to be sure: http://www.olyarms.com

What kind of barrel does it have? 16", 20" or what. What kind of shape is the bolt and carrier in? Also check it for any M16 parts as that is big trouble. (10 years and .25 million)

I'd take a guess at about $1200 or thereabouts for a 16" barrelled AR with collapsable stock and internals in good shape. Maybe a little more if it is a forged reciever. I find the cast ones to be a little kludgy, IMHO.

TR
 
Pre ban or not pre ban, that is

THE question.........Joe, only way to tell for sure if it's a true pre ban, is to call Olympic Arms, give them the serial number, and ask them if it left their factory as AN ASSEMBLD unit..........if it did NOT, pass on it regardless of the price.........
Many people are erroneously, and mistakenly purchasing Pre Ban lower recievers, and building them into PRE ban rifles, this is illegal.......and will get you in deep caca(:@)
 
Can you explain how I would know a forged receiver from a cast one? I can easily spot the difference between a milled receiver and a stamped receiver in an AK but every AR I have ever seen all looked the same to me.

I know for a fact that this rifle is a true pre-ban as it was bought and assembled when President Reagan was in office. It was assembled from parts in that the lower was purchased seperately but does that really matter? The upper was bought as a unit. The rifle is reliable as any other AR I have dealt with (granted, not a lot but a few) and is accurate.

Thanks for your input.

Joe
 
the realy old Olympics are machined out of solid bar stock
you can see the circular swirled machine marks.

The cast ones are quite sturdy
The rumor is that Ruger did the casting.
If you have a problem with the lower, Oly will make a replacement from a new forged reciever with yer serial numbers on it.
preban Olys are worth ~1000-1200 bucks

some folks claim the match grade Oly chamber is prone to extraction problems

dZ
 
TShoes said:
"THE question.........Joe, only way to tell for sure if it's a true pre ban, is to call Olympic Arms, give them the serial number, and ask them if it left their factory as AN ASSEMBLD unit..........if it did NOT, pass on it regardless of the price.........
Many people are erroneously, and mistakenly purchasing Pre Ban lower recievers, and building them into PRE ban rifles, this is illegal.......and will get you in deep caca(:@)"

This isn't quite accurate. You do NOT have to prove that the rifle was assembled prior to the ban, the burden of proof is on the government. If the lower left the factory before the ban, it is reasonable to assume it was assembled into a rifle unless you receive it still in the wrapping from the factory or as a stripped lower you buy from someone who admits they never assembled it into an "assault weapon" prior to the ban.
 
Erroneous

Rick, with all due respect, I agree with you to a point, and this is it...........can YOU prove it?.
Me, I would not want to get into a p contest with the Govmint, and go see a lawyer, when they tell YOU to prove it.
The point is, even if you are right, you still lose.............
 
TShoe said:
"Rick, with all due respect, I agree with you to a point, and this is it...........can YOU prove it?.
Me, I would not want to get into a p contest with the Govmint, and go see a lawyer, when they tell YOU to prove it.
The point is, even if you are right, you still lose............."


Can I prove what? Can I prove that the burden of proof is on the government? Yes, I can...it's written into the text of the 94 Assault Weapons Ban.
As for EVER being prosecuted for it, the likelihood of that is so incredibly small that it is hardly worth considering.
So yes, I would most certainly take that chance. Basically, if you are in a scenario where you have to prove your rifles are preban, it means that the government has targetted you for some other reason and is using this as one of many avenues to attack you, so you're basically screwed anyway. It is simply not worth worrying about.
 
DZ,

No swirl marks inside the receiver so I guess it's not a -real- early model.

Rik,

I would tend to agree with you on this assembly date stuff. How could anyone possibly -prove- when their rifle upper was assembled? Since the uppers are interchangeble you could have 3 or 4 of them. I guess if you bought it assembled you could save the receipt but for those that build their own out of parts it would a lot harder.

Like you said, if the feds are on you over something like that they are most likely targeting you for some other reason and are just trying to build their case.

Thanks again everyone for the replies.

Joe
 
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