Poor Pumpkins...

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Okay, it seems like the "What shot size to use for HD" is a pretty common question around here. I know I've asked it a time or two myself.

So, in the spirit of halloween, I purchased a few pumpkins and decided to do some experimenting.

I bought 7 pumpkins in the 15-20 pound range. They looked to be about the same thickness as an average torso. Supplied with targets, I went to the local gravel quarry.

The shotgun used for this experiment was as Non-tactical as you are gonna get. A 20 gauge Ted Williams Autoloader. Loads used were:
Federals Multi-Purpose Shot Shells(7.5 shot...the bulk stuff from Wal-mart)

Federals Classic #3 Buckshot

And Federal Slugs, 7/8 oz.

Okay, mmaximum shot distance in my house is about 13 yards. So, I set up pumpkins at 5 yards, and 10 yards, and commenced blastin.
If you think this data is going to be in a pretty chart, you are wrong.

At 5 yards, the slug went right through...about a fist sized hole in the back. Maybe if the pumpkin was frozen it would have expanded more.

At five yards, the results with the buck and trap loads were both pretty outstanding. Wish I had a time lapse camera set up...to my eye, it looked like both pumpkins just kind of fell apart. From the remains left over, it seemed like my pattern size was maybe 7 inches. If a person had been the target, they would have had a 7-inch by 8 inch whole in their chest. I would choose the cheaper one at 5 yards.

At 10 yards, the result with the slug was about the same, but since I didn't hit the target dead center, I kind of cut the left side of it in half. Need practice with slugs and bead sights.

At Ten yards, while it appears to my guesstimation that similar amounts of lead hit the pumpkins, the #3 Buck had noticeably better penetration. One or two pellets still went right through. The bird shot got about 6-8 inches of penetration...still enough that I feel a goblin would go down and stay down. At ten yards, my groups seemed to be more along the line of a foot to a foot and a half, by the calibrated eye method of measuring.

The final pumpkin got dressed in double thickness of jeans, and fell victim to a .40 S&W Golden Sabre...I wanted to find out what the deal was with 'clogging' hollowpoints. I KNOW!!!! This is the shotgun forum. So, I won't tell you how bad that pumpkin looked after two shots...

I hope this unscientific experiment helps some people out. Me? Untill I move to woods and start worrying about 4-legged predators, I'm not wasting $4 for 5 rounds of #3 Buck.
 
Thanks! Always nice to see some real world data. I'm not set in my mind about birdshot past 5 yards though.

Golden Sabers and Gold Dots do pretty well in the clogging tests. Hydra Shocks don't do well at all - unless they have improved the design in the last couple of years.
 
Was there ever any question as to the effectiveness of shotgun slugs? They are far from ideal for HD; they will end up in someone's house several blocks away, passing through EVERYTHING along the way, (ok, not really...just a few houses down... ;) ) and no spread. That's the advantage of a shotgun: spread.

Shotgun slugs will cleanly penetrate 2 inches of bullet-proof plexiglass. Seen it myself.
 
Kudoes, too many folks just don't do any real world testing and rely instead on second hand reports.

In your shoes, I'd try out a few brands of buck and pick the one that patterns tightest. You'll not need it in the home, but things can and do happen outside we may need to deal with.

Dr Jones....

When it comes to HD, spread is the last thing we want. The shotgun's advantage for close range defense is the huge amounts of energy it can dump into a target. Spread means pellets can end up in the wrong places,sometimes tragically wrong, and their energy is subtracted.

What's usually referred to as "Bullet Proof" glass is a Carbonate compound these days. The better penetrators of same tend to be things like needle pointed steel core rifle ammo, not soft lead.
 
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