Ponderings on "weapons of war"

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I was surprised to find myself thinking about this the instant I woke up this morning. I'm probably the last one to have thought about this.

"Assault weapons" are vilified because they:

1. are "designed to kill"

2. are "designed to fire as many shots as possible in as short a time as possible"

3. aren't powerful or accurate "enough" for hunting and other sporting purposes

4. are "weapons of war"

And therefore, aren't what the founding fathers had in mind when they wrote the 2nd Amendment. In fact, there was "no such thing" in their world.


Or was there? Consider the muskets prevalent at that time - state of the art military hardware:

1. their smooth, loose-fitting bore was specifically intended to allow the user to load as fast as possible, and thereby fire as many shots as possible in as short a time as possible.

2. The loose, smooth bore also degraded their accuracy - so much so that they weren't aimed at a particular soldier; rather, they were pointed at a line of soldiers and fired. They probably weren't accurate enough for hunting (they had rifles for that).

3. They were designed and built for organized military groups - a "weapon of war", though they were undoubtedly available to the average citizen.

Thus, by definition (the antis' definition), the musket of the founding fathers' time was an "assault weapon". Given the fact that the founding fathers certainly had personal experience with these "weapons of war", is there any doubt that they had this sort of gun firmly in mind when they wrote the 2nd? Could anyone really believe they were naive enough not to understand the concept and purpose of what was the "assault weapon" of their time?

IMNSHO, it's a slap in the face of the FF for the antis to argue that the FF couldn't have forseen the evolution of firearms, and the "logical" extension that the 2nd doesn't apply to certain modern guns.

Your thoughts?
 
They were already seeing advances in firearms... Flintlocks were an advance from Matchlocks. New frizzen (did I spell that right?) designs made ignition more reliable... Wrapping pre-measured amounts of powder and a ball - ready to load...
Rifled barrels for greater acuracy...

Firearms advances were not new to them - at least in general. But one thing they certainly expected was that a normal average joe snuffy on the street could own the SAME RIFLE that one of the troops in formation have. Military Arms - to enforce the underlined reason of the 2nd amendment... to keep the government in check.
That means quite literally that if the Army has M-16s - the average Joe should be able to have an M-16 as well. Including bayonet lugs, Flash suppressors, and FULL Capacity magazines - enabliling the Joe on the Street with the ability to check Trooper on the march.
Simple as that.
 
George
Just in the spirit of harmony and freindship with the anti's, I will compromise and allow them to keep the bayonet lug. :D

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Rob
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That's what I meant. There's no doubt that they knew full well the concept of the "assault weapon", and they fully intended for the 2nd to apply to it, so the same thing must hold true now.
 
I doubt that there is any gun produced that doesn't have roots in military service. All of the successful designs of today are based upon designs developed specifically for war.
 
Yes, you are correct Jeff. And a lot of the muskets the Americans had were more effective than the British "Brown Bess". And the Civilian resisters had state of the art Sniper Rifles as well.

No, the Second was never about hunting, or the National Gaurd.
 
Didn't they have double-barreled rifles and smooth-bores back then? And the reason the military didn't have them was that only wealthy civilians could afford them?
 
A characteristic common to almost all TOOLS is the property of "controlled destruction."
I have watched for years ( since 1967, when I 'got religion' on RKBA issues ) as one group (duck hunters) would vie with another ( target shooters ) over "whose weapon wasn't the one the anti-bill of rights were after this year." This sort of class warfare is an old & dearly beloved tool of assorted leftists, Saul Alinsky wanna-be's and others who "like to use the force of the government to make OTHER groups ( never them ) 'do the right thing...'
"...for the !@#$%! sake of 'our' chillun.
-30-
johnr

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