Pommies now to register knives .....

Knife sale records to curb crime
By David Bamber, Home Affairs Correspondent


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>ANYONE buying a knife will have to place their details on a national register under plans being drawn up by ministers to reduce crime.

The purchaser of any type of bladed instrument - from a penknife to a sword or from a fish knife to a machete - will be asked by shopkeepers for details of their name, address and proof of identification. Although the register would be voluntary, anyone who refused to give the information would be told they could not buy the knife.

Jack Straw, the Home Secretary, is favouring a nationwide extension of the register after wounding and knife-related crimes dropped by more than a third in in a pilot scheme in Coventry. In its first year after being launched in 1996, West Midlands Police reported a 46 per cent drop in the number of incidents of wounding. Burglaries known to involve knives were also 25 per cent down.

Similar schemes have since been adopted in 30 other towns and cities across the country including Croydon, Liverpool and Sheffield.

The Home Secretary has been considering introducing legislation since Lisa Potts, a nursery nurse, and children in her charge were injured in a knife attack in Wolverhampton three years ago.

But Mr Straw encountered difficulties because outlawing possession of large and potentially lethal knives could have turned the hunting or fishing community into criminals. So far he has only increased the penalties for carrying a knife in public without a good reason. But ministers believe the register is the way to control the possession and use of knives.

The registers will be kept by shopkeepers selling knives and are available for the police to see. Staff will also note the time, date and the type of knife sold, plus any registration number on the knife. Anyone aged 17 or under will have to be accompanied by a responsible adult and prove that they have a legitimate reason for wanting the knife by producing a letter of authorisation from an official club or organisation supporting their claim.

The pioneering scheme was the idea of Coventry's youth crime prevention officer PC Enda Hughes. He said: "At the moment there is no law to stop anyone of any age going into a shop and buying a knife despite the fact that they are potentially lethal weapons. Shop staff are forced to make an on-the-spot decision as to whether they should sell a knife to a customer however unsuitable they might seem.

This register allows staff to ask for a few details and dissuades people from trying to buy knives if they are unwilling to give them. People who have a legitimate reason to buy a knife have nothing to fear."

Pc Hughes received an OBE last month in the Queen's Birthday Honours List for his services in helping to reduce crime in Coventry after setting up the successful weapons register. The Home Office is now consulting chief constables and shopkeepers' organisations on the best way of setting up the national register.

Although information would be held initially on shop premises, it could eventually be transferred to computers at police stations, as long as those registering consented. New laws would not be needed to introduce a voluntary scheme in England and ministers in the Welsh Assembly and Scottish Parliament are also keen to introduce the register.[/quote]

From a mighty Empire to a less-than third rate dictatorship in such a short time -- while they still sing "Rule Brittania" and live in a world of past "glories".

And Australia is paddling as fast downriver to catch up with them as it can .....

B
 
Let's see, criminals in prisons manage to make knives (shanks) that they seem to use on each other. Any one with access to steel, a file and some time can build a knife that is just as good or better than many on tha market.

From what I have been told by friends in England, boxcutters are the favourite weapon of choice by punks and the like. I did not see them on the list of items to be registered.

I wonder how the housewives of England are going to react when they drop into the neighborhood department store and try to buy a new paring knife and are told they have to register it. I can just see 1,000's of po'ed women martching on 10 Downing Street and Parliment after being treated like criminals. It would serve the bastards right.

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[This message has been edited by Jim V (edited July 13, 1999).]
 
Thats for new knives. What about the gazillions already owned? What about knifemakers...shall they be registered as well?

The gun ban didn't curb crime, so this will?

Where do these sub-moronic pols come from?

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What's next? Beer mugs and cricket bats, and don't think I'm kidding. Regulation schemes for both these potentially deadly weapons have alreay been proposed, if not implemented. I really don't try to keep up with the politics in socialist monarchies.

What about scissors, screwdrivers and lawn-mower blades? Axes, chisels and trowels?

I love how it's a voluntary registration, but if you don't volunteer the info, you don't get the knife. It's nice of the UK to showcase the reductio ad absurdum of gun control for the world to see.

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[This message has been edited by Ipecac (edited July 14, 1999).]
 
Sorry to deflate some of you but I have seen
cautions in Gander Mountain and I beleive Cabalas that certain knives and lengths of knives can't be sent to some states.You already have prohibitions on knives and didn't know it.
 
Huntman...

We know it, I collect knives and am well aquainted with knife laws. However...there is a difference between specific prohibitions and total registration from penknives to machetes.

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LMFAO!!!! Wait till they see the paperwork when they get around to rocks and sticks!!
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This is a serious issue, Don, and I wish you'd treat it accordingly in your posts.

I mean, you don't see widespread use of rocks and sticks in the commission of violent crimes, do you?

Well, not yet, anyway. ;)

-boing



[This message has been edited by boing (edited July 14, 1999).]
 
Well, I can certainly see how this is voluntary, old boy. ;) Right.

Actually, what really comes to mind (besides the absurdity of it all) is that eventually they will simply have a census of every adult in the entire country, no? Almost everyone, at some time in their adult life seems likely to purchase some type of knife.

So now, when there is a knifing in the park, they can interview every housewife within 5 miles. That will keep the blokes busy ...

[This message has been edited by Jeff Thomas (edited July 14, 1999).]
 
Will PLASTIC knives & forks (forks the're next you know ;)) be regarded as the choice of Terrorists & Professionalists as they can't be found by a Metal Detector ?
Hey I'm SERIOUS !!!!
These dopey, inbred, Private school boy buggering bunch of simpletons won't stop when they get an idea.... :(

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Bruce,
I imagine more people die in (or because of) fires than from knifings. So, next on the agenda should be matches, lighters, and other "arsonist's" tools, huh?

My deepest sympathies, Bruce. And thank you so very much for showing what is happening in your homeland. It must be frustrating, frightening, and humiliating.

I'm learning from you. Quite seriously, if it can happen in a land of stand-up independent folks like the Aussies, it surely can happen in the U.S. - especially with the huge numbers of government-teat suckers in our cities.

It's been sort of a wake-up call for me - an eye-opener that we in the U.S. must do something to stop the inexorable slide into tyranny - or force the buggers to show their true hand. Either way, they must be stopped. Australia shows what happens when the government is taken over by a ruling class.

Well, it's time to oust that ruling class and elect some representatives.
 
Let me get this straight here; the way everybody is reacting, and so far no resulting horselaugh from Bruce, do you mean to tell me that post was SERIOUS??

If so, I come back to the same old question I have always had about guns-so, like, once it's registered it can't shoot (stab) people anymore? How does registering it make a difference, other than to make it easier to confiscate when the time comes?
 
I have a revolutionary idea to curb crime. Instead of having to register or ban firearms, knives, bricks, sporks, ect...Let's ban CRIMINALS! See, we can do it like this:
We remove all the criminals from society and place them in a guarded facility with razor wire, concrete, armed guards, ect. Then we give them a number, in effect we are registering AND banning them for our safety. Why didn't I think of this sooner?! Man, to think of all the crimes that would have been prevented had this wondrous system been in place decades ago! I think everyone should forward this post to all of the world's leaders so they too can make their nation's streets safe for the law-abiding.

Geez, you'd think people would get a clue.

[This message has been edited by HydraShok (edited July 14, 1999).]
 
HydraShock,
Oh, boo hoo! How uncivilized! Once trapped behind all that barbed wire how would they continue to "socialize" with other citizens? You barbarian! ;)

((Yes, HS, I AM joking!))

Seriously, the way laws are going, the government is trying to make criminals of us all. Apparently so they can pick and choose who gets to live in the Barbed Wire Hotel.

And guess who THAT would be! Anyone who disagrees with their edicts!

PS: According to Webster's Ninth: pommy or pommie, pl. pommies. (Australia, 1915, exact origin unknown); Briton, esp. an English immigrant - called also pom. Often used disparagingly. Sorta like we use the term "limey"...

[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited July 14, 1999).]
 
I had a post here earlier saying, "what next?!?!"... I forgot that this was what was next... I mean they already take DNA from people there and have them registered in central computers. And if a crime is committed, and you are even remotly connected with it in anyway you must submit to a DNA test, and if you dont you're automatically a suspect. What a GREAT country huh?!?!? I know that here in the Peoples Repulik of Kalifornia its bad; but there...wow!!

[This message has been edited by BigPig (edited July 14, 1999).]
 
Remotely connected? You mean like taking a sample from every male in every town in a certain radius, all voluntary of course. Should you refuse, however, you will be labelled a suspect and compelled to provide a sample. You will also be one of those whom the English (not the Aussies, yet) have determined don't need or deserve a jury trial, some big debate that seemed to be going on there, according to the AP a couple months ago.
 
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