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Poll: ME, NH, VT - which has the best 2A future?
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Sparks1957
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Hey Vermonter, check out S.32, the new bill in the VT Senate... you may change your mind about what you said.
flyinpolack
New member
I voted NH because that's where I live, & the laws are ok atm.
johnwilliamson062
Moderator
FSP is exerting a growing influence in NH. I expect they will have the most liberal laws in the country before too long.
vermont bill
That bill grandfathers firearms otherwise legally owned prior to July 1 2013. Same for mags. Therevore everything I own is legal.
The rest focuses largely on the sotrage of a firearm around a minor child. I see no reason why anyone would have an issue with that. It doesn't even touch on ccw and by being specific about firearsms that are vauge they missed more than it covers I am afraid.
I dont think it will fly as written. Vermont is very pro ccw and with the grandfathering clause in there I am vastly unaffected.
Sparks, you and everyone else we know need to write to the state legslature at least once a day and let them know that this is a no go for vermonters.
Regards, Vermonter
That bill grandfathers firearms otherwise legally owned prior to July 1 2013. Same for mags. Therevore everything I own is legal.
The rest focuses largely on the sotrage of a firearm around a minor child. I see no reason why anyone would have an issue with that. It doesn't even touch on ccw and by being specific about firearsms that are vauge they missed more than it covers I am afraid.
I dont think it will fly as written. Vermont is very pro ccw and with the grandfathering clause in there I am vastly unaffected.
Sparks, you and everyone else we know need to write to the state legslature at least once a day and let them know that this is a no go for vermonters.
Regards, Vermonter
Vermont currently has the most lenient gun laws, but I don't think it's because Vermonters have given the issue careful thought and made a conscious decision to go that way - I get the sense it's more like imposing new gun restrictions just isn't a priority at the moment. That could change overnight and has to some extent as Sparks1957 pointed out. Given the politics of the state generally, the future could be problematical for anyone except hunters.
Maine is a nice state, and would make a reasonable second choice, but again I think their primary interest is in having guns to hunt with and I could see gun owners there (for example) going along with an AWB as long as nobody has plans to outlaw their old thutty-thutty.
And yes, that's an oversimplification - but as a gun owner in New England for the last 45 years I don't think it's far off the mark.
So, I voted for my adopted state, New Hampshire, and its limited and IMHO reasonable gun laws. In spite of a bit of a swing to the blue side of the aisle in the last election, I don't see things changing here anytime soon.
Maine is a nice state, and would make a reasonable second choice, but again I think their primary interest is in having guns to hunt with and I could see gun owners there (for example) going along with an AWB as long as nobody has plans to outlaw their old thutty-thutty.
And yes, that's an oversimplification - but as a gun owner in New England for the last 45 years I don't think it's far off the mark.
So, I voted for my adopted state, New Hampshire, and its limited and IMHO reasonable gun laws. In spite of a bit of a swing to the blue side of the aisle in the last election, I don't see things changing here anytime soon.
Yankee Traveler
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I voted NH.
I was born in MA, and raised in VT.
Worked in NH and NY and have met many many people from all around New England and the north east.
I left about 20 years ago in search of work, and what I found was not only work, but better politics and better economy. As much as I miss snowmobiling, skiing, the foliage and sugaring...I am filing out an application today (Intercompany transfer) that will hopefully allow me to finish raising my family and retire in Tennessee.
If I HAD to move back, my choice would be NH.
I can carry concealed in VT with a TN carry permit (not required) but I cannot carry concealed in TN with a VT permit because there isn't one.
I was born in MA, and raised in VT.
Worked in NH and NY and have met many many people from all around New England and the north east.
I left about 20 years ago in search of work, and what I found was not only work, but better politics and better economy. As much as I miss snowmobiling, skiing, the foliage and sugaring...I am filing out an application today (Intercompany transfer) that will hopefully allow me to finish raising my family and retire in Tennessee.
If I HAD to move back, my choice would be NH.
I can carry concealed in VT with a TN carry permit (not required) but I cannot carry concealed in TN with a VT permit because there isn't one.
Evan Thomas
Inactive
All three are nice... I'd rank them VT, ME, NH for overall livability. I lived in Mass. for about 30 years, by necessity, not by choice -- my father lived in Vermont. Back then (10-20 years ago, or more) guns were sort of taken for granted -- the only time anyone fretted was when the flatlanders (from NY, CT, MA) came up for deer hunting season, and all the farmers went out and painted "COW" in big letters on the sides of their cows.
All three will probably be ruined as more and more baby-boomer flatlanders retire there.
All three will probably be ruined as more and more baby-boomer flatlanders retire there.
Sparks1957
New member
Sparks, you and everyone else we know need to write to the state legislature at least once a day and let them know that this is a no go for vermonters
Already have, and will do so periodically. I also know a couple influential lobbyists in Montpelier who will work on them too.
Maine has "Every citizen has a right to keep and bear arms and this right shall never be questioned" written into it's constitution, no registration, no restrictions on private sales (as long as both parties are ME residents, and you don't have reason to believe the buyer is intending to use the gun to commit a crime) open carry, and it's pretty easy to get your CCW. Also, it's still primarily rural, there are no major cities, and hunting is a huge money maker for the state, so the majority of the population is pretty gun friendly.
But I agree that most of the gun owners would only put up a fight when something effects them directly, so I'm not sure how an assault weapon ban would play out. I don't think it would pass, but I've been wrong before.
I chose Vermont anyway. Vermont is a rabidly independent state, and most of the Vermonters I've met have been quite apposed to their government restricting their freedom. In Vermont I would expect to see a fairly large percentage of non gun owners vote against gun restrictions as unwanted government intrusion even if they had no plans to own a gun.
New Hampshire I didn't pick just because eastern NH is slowly turning into a suburb of Boston, and I imagine a fair number of transplants are bringing their anti-gun ideas with them.
But I agree that most of the gun owners would only put up a fight when something effects them directly, so I'm not sure how an assault weapon ban would play out. I don't think it would pass, but I've been wrong before.
I chose Vermont anyway. Vermont is a rabidly independent state, and most of the Vermonters I've met have been quite apposed to their government restricting their freedom. In Vermont I would expect to see a fairly large percentage of non gun owners vote against gun restrictions as unwanted government intrusion even if they had no plans to own a gun.
New Hampshire I didn't pick just because eastern NH is slowly turning into a suburb of Boston, and I imagine a fair number of transplants are bringing their anti-gun ideas with them.
Yeah we have it pretty good in Maine, and I do not see it changing for a while with a republican Governor. The democrat majority may try and kick something up, but it seems they are more intent on budget issues.
I have been trying to keep an eye on it, and have written my local reps, so far no word back.
I have been trying to keep an eye on it, and have written my local reps, so far no word back.
Meh. Folks were saying that 20 years ago. Since then, we've won twice in the Supreme Court, acceptance for concealed carry has become the norm in most of the nation, and the public is more mobilized in favor of the 2A than they've ever been.it is coming eventually. Maybe 10-20 years down the road.
Every generation thinks it's living in the end times.
Tom
So what's your point? That New Englanders should relax their sphincters about the uncertain future? I prefer to follow the old boy scout motto; Be Prepared.
What about the old saying: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Also: The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
Curiosity yields evolution...satiety yields extinction.
So what's your point? That New Englanders should relax their sphincters about the uncertain future? I prefer to follow the old boy scout motto; Be Prepared.
What about the old saying: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Also: The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
Curiosity yields evolution...satiety yields extinction.
FSP is exerting a growing influence in NH. I expect they will have the most liberal laws in the country before too long.
John, thank you for your feedback. Could I trouble you to elaborate?
I assume John is referring to the Free State Project and he's using the term "liberal" in its true sense, i.e., "free" or "generous", as opposed to in the political sense.
Assuming that to be the case, I'd like to agree, but I'm afraid I don't see it. I don't detect any impact of FSP and frankly never hear anything about them in the press or elsewhere. I wish it were otherwise, but I try to pay attention to these things and, from my perspective, they're invisible.
As I alluded to in my earlier post, the state was overall quite "blue" in the last election, electing a Democrat Governor (the last one was also) and two Democrat US representatives, along with voting to re-elect Obama. In my own very rural central portion of the state, the incumbent State Rep, a rabid anti-gunner, was easily re-elected. None of that, of course, was abetted by either of the two votes in my household. The state legislature recently turned back an attempt to not require a CCL for concealed carry (as in Vermont and a couple other states) and reversed their position on allowing elected officials to carry in the State House.
On the other hand, the NH Association of Chiefs of Police is currently taking a bit of heat from the Boston Globe (not that they care) for holding a fund-raising raffle that has 30 NH-manufactured firearms, including at least one Evil Black Rifle, as prizes. Gotta love that.
I think that NH will, on balance, continue to be very gun-friendly for the foreseeable future and certainly for the rest of my life (I'm 64) but, as with many other aspects of life in the US, I'm not optimistic about the long-term.
Assuming that to be the case, I'd like to agree, but I'm afraid I don't see it. I don't detect any impact of FSP and frankly never hear anything about them in the press or elsewhere. I wish it were otherwise, but I try to pay attention to these things and, from my perspective, they're invisible.
As I alluded to in my earlier post, the state was overall quite "blue" in the last election, electing a Democrat Governor (the last one was also) and two Democrat US representatives, along with voting to re-elect Obama. In my own very rural central portion of the state, the incumbent State Rep, a rabid anti-gunner, was easily re-elected. None of that, of course, was abetted by either of the two votes in my household. The state legislature recently turned back an attempt to not require a CCL for concealed carry (as in Vermont and a couple other states) and reversed their position on allowing elected officials to carry in the State House.
On the other hand, the NH Association of Chiefs of Police is currently taking a bit of heat from the Boston Globe (not that they care) for holding a fund-raising raffle that has 30 NH-manufactured firearms, including at least one Evil Black Rifle, as prizes. Gotta love that.
I think that NH will, on balance, continue to be very gun-friendly for the foreseeable future and certainly for the rest of my life (I'm 64) but, as with many other aspects of life in the US, I'm not optimistic about the long-term.
CaptainTrips
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"Live Free Or Die"