Politics and Religion?

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I have really tried to be fair here...
But, I don't see how it's possible to intelligently discuss the terrorists and or the middle eastern wars, without also discussing how religion influences those conflicts...

I believe it is the Muslim leaders who are the true radicals... not the general population of Islam...

The 1.7 billion Muslim people are mostly illiterate, or at least poorly educated, and are completely dependent on their radical leaders for interpretations of the Koran and a knowledge of Allah's will.

When educated Muslims travel outside of Islam, they look around and get a rude awakening. They are astonished at how backward Islamic nations are in comparison to the rest of the world...

Sooooo, they "interpret" that backward condition to be the will of Allah and to mean westerners are devils and infidels because Allah wouldn't have allowed backwardness to happen to Islam while the rest of the world progresses and prospers... besides...the infidels allow their women to talk, and walk, and not hide under their clothing as if THEY were undeserving and seductively satanic.

In Islam it is ONLY the mass murderers and the hateful radicals and martyrs who will get 70 virgin sex-slaves in paradise, and of course when they are no longer virgins, they will have to hide, ashamed and unforgiven, under a "cheap tent" for the rest of eternity...

Hence the American-European-Judeo-Christian world simply MUST be the "Great Satan".

It couldn't possibly be the Islamic world... DUH!

Please don't "slam" this thread...
I'd really like to get your HONEST take on this subject...

Thank you...
 
I believe it is the Muslim leaders who are the true radicals... not the general population of Islam...
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You assume much:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1132475689987&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

From that article:
"Who teaches the mainstream moderate non-Saudi Islam that people used to have? It's in the homes, but there's no infrastructure. Eighty percent of the infrastructure is controlled by these extremists."
The same is true, Barsky said, of many of the mainstream Muslim organizations in America. Many of them are "pro-Saudi and pro-Muslim Brotherhood organizations."

Carter
 
My son in law just got back from Iraq, and he says that most of the population over there, are not extreme radicals, but they are scared to voice their true opinion, or go to prayers every day. They more or less are forced to follow like sheep in order to keep radicals from shooting them, or worse.
 
Do you believe that formatting somehow adds credence to your arguments? :confused:

Anyways, have you read the Koran? In its' genuine form? I wonder how many people who claim they know about Islam have actually read the book. Then again most Christians have barely a passing knowledge of their own holy book so it really wouldn't surprise me if people of both religions are utterly clueless as to the true nature of any religion.

Of course religion influences these conflicts; religion has influenced the majority of all major conflicts that have ever been fought.
 
Well well...

The 1.7 billion Muslim people are mostly illiterate, or at least poorly educated, and are completely dependent on their radical leaders for interpretations of the Koran and a knowledge of Allah's will.
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Sounds a lot like medieval Europe and how the kings wanted an excuse for the crusades. When a large number of uneducated and illiterate people follow a faith, they'll usually do it blindly.

Mainstream US Muslim organizations are heavily influenced by Saudi-funded extremists, according to Yehudit Barsky, an expert on terrorism at the American Jewish Committee.
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Came from this link: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1132475689987&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

I'd have to say that's HEAVILY biased, how can one religious group post an analysis of another and spit it out as news? Makes no sense if you ask me. As for Islam in America being influenced from Wahabi beliefs, far from it. Much of the world doesn't practice Islam like the terrorists do, or even the Arabs for that matter. Cultures cause variations in the degree of how they interpret the Koran, the same can be said of Christians of other nations. Any universally accepted religion will have its variations because of the previous beliefs of the people.

the people now in control of teaching religion [to American Muslims] are extremists. Who teaches the mainstream moderate non-Saudi Islam that people used to have? It's in the homes, but there's no infrastructure. Eighty percent of the infrastructure is controlled by these extremists.
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Oh right, and every Muslim is getting ready packing up the C-4, TNT, Semtex, and nukes in their backpack and ready to hijack every plane, bus, and taxi in the world.:barf: :barf: :barf: If the Wahabi ideal really was in America I would think our national security would be screwed big time.


Epyon

P.S: Not making any attacks on you CDH, but it makes no sense in asking another religion that's already at odds with the religion of topic in this thread.
 
Of course the two subjects are intertwined over there, but I wonder how many people on our side of the pond are blinded by their own religious precepts in this matter.
 
P.S: Not making any attacks on you CDH, but it makes no sense in asking another religion that's already at odds with the religion of topic in this thread.
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No offense taken.

But while you dismiss the article as a totally biased opinion, you have to admit that it passes the "common sense" test.

For example, from that same article:
"The United States has a hard time understanding the extremists' ideology. Americans don't like to interfere in the religion of other people. But the reality is that this isn't religion, but a politicized radical ideology. It's very dangerous," she warned, adding that the people who are being taught this ideology are prime targets for recruitment by terror organizations."
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After all that's happened since 9/11, how can anyone disagree with that statement?
One of the things I don't yet understand is why Wahabiism (sp?) hasn't been defined as a CULT by the US government so that it can be eradicated like it should be. It's because (as the quote says) that Americans tend to be "hands off" with religions that we let those lunatics get away with (literally) murder.

One of the best quotes I've come across in a long time is one that I don't recall who to credit it to:
"We have been too tolerant of the intolerant for too long".

Carter
 
Because the government should eradicate anything they define as a cult? You really want to hand them that?

I hear Waco turned out really nicely.
 
As far as religions go, any religion or sect of an existing religion, is a cult.

Example 1: Catholicism is a religion. It is also a cult. Roman Catholicism is a cult of Catholicism. The Franciscan Order is a cult of Roman Catholicism.

Example 2: Protestantism is a cult that opposes Catholicism on one level or another. Baptists are a cult of Protestantism. The Church of England is a cult of Protestantism. Anglicans are a cult of the Church of England.

Example 3: Islam is a cult. Shiite is a cult of Islam. Sunni os a cult of Islam. Sufi is a cult of Islam. Whabiism is a cult of the Sunni.

One could go on and categorize each of the worlds major religions. They are all cults and they all have cults that stem from them. Comparative Religions 101.

Although the Wahabi's are a fundamentalist reform cult of the Sunni, they are not the radical fundamantalists that have perpetrated the major terrorist attacks of modern times. For that, y'all need to do a little research on the splits within the Wahabi sect. And others.

Painting all Wahabiists with the broad brush, does not further the interests of knowledge. I'm closing this thread unless or until someone comes up with the narrow fundamentalist cult that is responsible. PM myself or MarKo, should you disagree or wish to pursue this line further.
 
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