Police officers say, "Your best defense is a handgun"

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Your best defense is a handgun, say four local officers

Sunday, November 6, 2005
By Michael Bowers, Star columnist

Probably the best thing about writing a column is hearing from readers, whether they love me or hate me.

In fact, I get a kick out of replying to angry letters with a sincere, appreciative message. It baffles the writer. "Hey, this guy is supposed to be a jerk," they think. "Why's he nice?"

Sometimes an angry writer will even write back with thanks, telling me she didn't really mean it when she said she uses my column to toilet-train her puppy.

But then, believe it or not, sometimes there are correspondents who actually agree with what I wrote in the first place. One such reader is Gregg Jarrette, a former Will County sheriff's police officer who now runs a private security company. One of his concerns is the Second Amendment. He strongly believes lawful citizens have the right, perhaps even the obligation, to own a gun for self-defense.

One qualification: These same lawful citizens also must know how to use their gun effectively and responsibly. If you don't take this deadly tool with deadly seriousness, don't get one.

Now then, I'm open to Mr. Jarrette's view, and over several months we chatted about getting together with a few of his law enforcement friends to discuss it. They have a simple message they want to get out:

American citizens simply cannot count on the police to protect them from assault. Almost always, the only thing the police can do is show up after the fact and sort things out. Laws are not written to prevent crime; they are written to give society the means to punish the criminal after he has committed his misdeed.

In short, when crunch time comes, you are on your own. And if you really want to improve your odds of surviving an encounter with a felon, you've got to have a handgun handy.

A few weeks ago, I met Gregg and three of his colleagues at a pleasant restaurant in Frankfort. We had hamburgers and beers and conversation. The colleagues were:

Roger D. Johnson, who has 30 years of law enforcement experience in the area.

Terry Kreimeier, who has 4½ years of experience with the Channahon Police Department; 20 years with the Will County sheriff's police in Joliet; and two years with the Will County Forest Preserve Police Department.

And Tony Policandriotes, who has 17 years of law enforcement experience in the area.

Somehow, I felt really safe at that table.

Now for what the officers had to say. Perhaps most important is that slogans such as "Protect and Serve" are just that — slogans. Meaningless slogans. Be real. There is no way police can protect everybody from harm. They just cannot be at all places at all times.

The men also addressed the myth that rank-and-file officers oppose gun rights and the National Rifle Association. Coercing officers into photo-ops, politicians such as Bill Clinton and Mayor Richard Daley would have you believe that police reject the Second Amendment. But 80 percent of street-level cops will tell you that if you want to protect yourself, get a gun.

Police gun supporters used to number 95 percent to 98 percent, they said, but the figure is starting to erode because police departments in big liberal cities are looking for recruits with the view of Big Brother.

If you meet a police official who professes to oppose gun rights, you can almost be assured politics is at work. Officers who want to climb the ranks have to say the right things. Once an officer reaches captain, he has brainwashed himself into thinking the opposite of what he used to think.

The four officers were unanimous that a concealed-carry weapon law such as Florida's would be a benefit in Illinois, reducing violent crime hugely. As one of the officers pointed out, there is no place more polite than a gun shop. But they also recognized the likelihood our state will ever approve CCW is dismal.

Gun laws are essentially a joke, they said. They are written for people who will obey them — not criminals. The officers said banning guns in the United States would eliminate murder just as banning drugs has eliminated cocaine. We sure showed the pushers on that one, didn't we?

Opposition to guns has nothing to do with logic. It's all emotion. One officer has never been able to flip a gun-hater with reasonable argument. But he has managed to flip a few women by actually taking them out shooting. After a couple of hours on the range, they realize that the recoil is not going to knock them down and that the gun is not going to jump off the table and start killing people.

In fact, amazingly enough, some women even decide that shooting is fun.

Time passed, and I realized I had better get home and tend to my new dog. So I asked the officers to sum up for me in one sentence the message they wished to leave. It was this:

Guns are not bad; people are bad. A citizen can't count on the police. He has a moral duty to protect himself and his family from bad people. And the most effective way to do so is to buy a gun and learn how to use it responsibly.


So, in the end, who are you going to believe? Four officers who have a combined total of 100 years of experience on the street?

Or Mayor Daley, the gun-banner who travels with a cadre of armed men ready to shoot anyone who might attack him?

Michael Bowers is a copy editor and page designer for The Star. Send e-mail to mbowers@starnewspapers.com.
 
Omfg...

Im totally speechless. And thats a good thing.

For once someone made an article from our point of view AND its not totally biased aganist us! Letters of praise to that man.
 
Even so, the article still presented a somewhat botched police perspective. Your best defense is often not a handgun. It may be for concealed carry, but not for home defense.

The four officers were unanimous that a concealed-carry weapon law such as Florida's would be a benefit in Illinois, reducing violent crime hugely. As one of the officers pointed out, there is no place more polite than a gun shop.

I see the officers have bought into the notion that somehow concealed carry reduces crime. This is misleading. No doubt crime rates have dropped after states adopted concealed carry, but in the cases I have checked, such as Texas, the crime rate was already in decline in the years preceding the law. The fact that it dropped after the CHL program was implemented is simply a product of being on a downward trend. Adding CHLs did not make the crime rate drop any faster. Not only did the crime rate drop in Texas after implementing the CHL program, it worked so well that crime fell in MA, CA, NY, and ME, the latter states not being terribly pro gun states at all. And that, my friends, demonstrates just how powerful the Texas CHL is. We do things bigger and better in Texas!

Of course, I don't expect any of you to believe that Texas CHL has been so successful that it lowered the crime rates in distant states. What we have is a correlation, not a causation. When examined against the bigger picture, the crime rates in all of the states I mentioned were either all showing a marked decline in crime or fluctuating decline in crime with a generalized downward trend already in the years preceding 1996. So we can say that crime dropped in Texas after we instituted the CHL program, but based on the trend already in place, the crime rate was already in decline long before the CHL program.

As for there being no place as polite in a gun shop, obviously the cops get treated special or their powers of observation are lacking. Like any other business, gun stores have their share of upset customer and rude employees. As noted several times on this forum and others, some gun shop personnel are much less than helpful and are not at all pleasant.

Yes, it is nice to see a positive article once in a while. I just wish it could be accurate as well as positive.
 
I think that your nitpicking misses the forest because of the trees in the way.


The major thrust was "YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN, AND THE MOST EFFECTIVE DEFENSE FOR YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL (NOT FOR SOCIETY OVERALL, BUT THEN WE DON'T WALK AROUND DEFENDING SOCIETY OVERALL, WE WALK AROUND DEFENDING OURSELVES) IS TO HAVE A HANDGUN.


Griping about "accuracy" in the nuance is missing what was clear to the rest of us as the main point. He even SAID it was the summation of the officers' views on the matter. And you go into whether gun shops are really polite places. :rolleyes:


-blackmind
 
"The four officers were unanimous that a concealed-carry weapon law such as Florida's would be a benefit in Illinois, reducing violent crime hugely."

So it isnt important that the arguments in our defense be "accurate"?

Before we bray about guns reducing crime we oughta be darn sure that they actually do.

Crime reduction is far more complicated than can be discussed in a couple pithy lines on a forum. There are no doubt many factors involved other than the presence of guns.
 
Crime reduction is far more complicated than can be discussed in a couple pithy lines on a forum. There are no doubt many factors involved other than the presence of guns.
This is very true.
There is, however, a fundemental difference of opinion that the gun debate addresses. This is the idea that a citizen has a responsibility to protect himself, versus a citizen who must depend on the state for protection.

One idea is practical, the other is next to impossible to achieve.

I wish I could pull up the particular study, but I recall reading a study done with convicted felons. One of the results was they feared the armed citizen much, much more than the police. Placing fear into the hearts of those who would do wrong is the first step to changing the behavior.
 
Before we bray about guns reducing crime we oughta be darn sure that they actually do.

WE dont have too...

On the other hand...THEY do:D

WildtheresadifferenceseetheonlyhyperbolethatisrightisourhyperboleAlaska
 
"This is the idea that a citizen has a responsibility to protect himself, versus a citizen who must depend on the state for protection."

Interesting point. Are you saying that a person who chooses not to own a gun is somehow abrogating responsibility? It is "wrong" to be unarmed if a person so chooses?

How many of us own firetrucks? I have a fire extinguisher, but I depend on my (government) fire department for protection if my house catches fire. What's the difference?
 
How many of us own firetrucks? I have a fire extinguisher, but I depend on my (government) fire department for protection if my house catches fire. What's the difference?
Point well taken sendec, but if I encounter a grease fire on my stove, I'm going to use a fire extinguisher rather than wait for the fire truck. Others might prefer to call 911 and wait for the big red truck. I myself prefer not to wait for public assistance when I can eliminate a danger myself. Oh, and sendec, 99% of house fires start as a smaller fire that could have been extinguished by the homeowner had he been prepared and aware of the fire before it got out of control.

Are you saying that a person who chooses not to own a gun is somehow abrogating responsibility? It is "wrong" to be unarmed if a person so chooses?
There is nothing wrong with being unarmed if one so chooses. There is nothing wrong with not having a fire extinguisher if one so chooses. Heck, there is nothing wrong with not getting flu shots, with not completing high school, and there is nothing wrong with unprotected sex.

Until something goes wrong. When something goes wrong, and a person is unprepared for the consequences of their failure to take a reasonable precaution, and they blame the state for their own failure.........well there is something unwise with that. Of course, it's not wrong. Saying they should not blame society for their own failure to take precautions would not be PC. :rolleyes:
 
"It is "wrong" to be unarmed if a person so chooses?"

Nope...but I think it is wrong to expect someone else to do what you won't.(notice I sadi won't ...not can't)

I would not ask a policeman to risk his life for mine...unless I was willing to do the same.

Now certainly a highly trained policeman or firefighter might be better prepared to defend my family or pull them out of a burning building.

But I should certainly be willing, if not able, to try.

And shame on me if I let anyone perish because I was "waiting for someone more qualified"

Kind of like letting someone choke because....the doctor is on his way:D

I think our "age of specialization" has made us far too soft....and too willing to be victims.

Once upon a time.....the police and firefighters were there for the really big problems....not the little ones.

And people only went to the doctor when they were really sick or badly injured.

We bruise too easily nowadays
 
Helloooooooo! (echo, echo, echo)


Two positive responses to this thread and subject?
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Where are all the gun rights folks lauding "The Police" for openly supporting not only gun ownership, but handgun ownership, and (gasp) Concealed Carry!

Guess it's only noteworthy when "The Police" can be shown in a negative light, then it's bandwagon time!

I wonder what keeps "Us vs Them" alive...... what type of actions, what type of behavior.......
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TBO-
I love you man, but that chip is gonna break your shoulder. ;)

Seriously, I think TFL gives Plenty of Play to the 80% rank and file who consider themselves part of the community. Actions of the other 20% are more noticed, simply because they are abnormal.

If I were to search your own posts, for instance, I bet I'd find that you point up criminal actions and crimes against cops far more often than successful self defense stories or stories of citizens helping cops out. Would I be correct to conclude that you only want to tarnish the reps of LAC's? Of course not.

There were more than 2 positive responses here. But then, true to form, Mr. Sendec chose to digress into the theoretical realm of the limits of nanny statism. See what I mean about the 80/20 thing? People naturally gravitate to debate with the 20% vs attaboy's to the 80.
Rich
 
Rich,

330 views, 13 replies (counting yours and mine). People sit on their keyboards when it's a story like this, but when it's a negative one, the keyboards get a real workout. That is all.

TBO
 
sendec said:
Crime reduction is far more complicated than can be discussed in a couple pithy lines on a forum. There are no doubt many factors involved other than the presence of guns.


At the end of the day, I think that each of us really cares most about individual crime reduction.

If I have a gun, I'm going to have a much greater ability to reduce crime against ME.

That's hard to argue against. An armed me is less likely to be forced into victimhood than an unarmed me.

And if more of society were "armed me's," fewer people would have to lie down and take it when a criminal crosses their path.


-blackmind
 
Good little article. I agree with the article. I hope the Katrina episode has changed some peoples minds about what the police, national guard, or army can do in terms of protection of life and property. Day to day crime is unpredictable and the only way to reduce your chance of being a victim is to own a gun or two. The handgun would be the gun of choice due to its size and flexibility to carry on your person, keep in the night stand drawer, or keep in your vehicle. Long guns bring too much attention to the law abiding owner except at home. But they are considerably more effective if you ever have to defend yourself or your property.
 
Gun laws are essentially a joke, they said. They are written for people who will obey them — not criminals. The officers said banning guns in the United States would eliminate murder just as banning drugs has eliminated cocaine. We sure showed the pushers on that one, didn't we?

Opposition to guns has nothing to do with logic. It's all emotion. One officer has never been able to flip a gun-hater with reasonable argument. But he has managed to flip a few women by actually taking them out shooting. After a couple of hours on the range, they realize that the recoil is not going to knock them down and that the gun is not going to jump off the table and start killing people.

The logic and actually handling a pistol are what convinced me.

Of course, laws are only for those people willing to abide by them, why hadn't I 'seen' that before? Because I had let my emotions get in the way of my logical thinking.

(Special thanks goes to my best friend (who is also my husband, btw) who had the patience and maturity to not only convince me of the benefits and pleasures of firearm ownership, but to show me that by restricting gun ownership, we are only making ourselves better targets for the lawbreakers.)
 
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