Police officers against the 2nd amendment?

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http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=741730#post741730

Ok, some selected qoutes from there:

Are you saying that everyone should have the right to go packin anytime they want?? I don't think so.
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I've always thought the arms vs government[2nd amendment] argument to be a bit - no, severly - outdated.
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I am all for decent people[???] being able to carry...
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So, if you are a cop, help me out convincing these guys the 2nd is important. (I'm MPSRT on there). thanks
 
Hunt up the name James J. Fotis. He's the head of the LEAA. 75,000 members and supporters. It's a police-based orgainzation awhich is open to LEOs, pro-LEO folks and crime victims.

http://www.leaa.org.

He writes regular pro-gun columns in the gunzines; he has one on page 68 of the December issue of Soldier of Fortune magazine. It might be at their website.

Art
 
Firearms can't fight tanks??? I suppose the Liberator pistol was so woefully inept a pistol as to not even be fit for self defence, much less a tool to help resist the Wehrmacht. I guess some folks will never learn from history.
 
Remember that in some major police departments-New York, Chicago, LA
the attitude is that they are a privileged elite, an occupying army, and they
look down their nose at mere "civilians", although strictly speaking the only
people in this country who aren't civilians are active duty military personnel.
 
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Remember that in some major police departments-New York, Chicago, LA
the attitude is that they are a privileged elite, an occupying army, and they
look down their nose at mere "civilians", although strictly speaking the only
people in this country who aren't civilians are active duty military personnel.
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SIG:
An example of the system trying to push the idea that police are not civilians, but instead are "Para-Military", follows. During a recent jury duty service, I listened to the Assistant District Attorney as he inquired of potential jurors (during the voir dire process of the panel) "if any juror felt that a police officer's testimony carried more credence than that of a "regular civilian."

I couldn't help but blurt out, "When did civil law enforcement officers stop being Civilians?" and the guy sitting next to me was an officer, and he kind of got a kick out of that.

But it sure seems to be an idea that the system is trying to push the idea that LEO's are not civilians. When that happens, there is no such thing as a civil law enforcement agency, because we then become subjects of a military law enforcement agency, funded by our own tax dollars, which is the EXACT reason the Founders did not want a standing army.
 
Who will police the police? What if YOUR kid went to this school? I smell a lawsuit but the damage has been done and the taxpayers will pay for it anyway.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SCHOOL_DRILL?SITE=FLTAM

Oct 28, 3:20 PM EDT
School Safety Drill Upsets Some Parents


WYOMING, Mich. (AP) -- A school safety drill that included police officers in riot gear with weapons has caused concern among some parents who say it was too realistic and frightened some students.

Police in the western Michigan community of Wyoming entered two classrooms at Lee Middle and High School on Thursday and announced there was a threat to the school, The Grand Rapids Press reported.

Students, who were unaware police were conducting a drill, were taken from the classroom into the halls, patted down by officers and asked what they had in their pockets, the newspaper said.

"Some of these kids were so scared, they just about wet their pants," said Marge Bradshaw, a parent with four children in Godfrey-Lee Schools. "I think it's pure wrong that the students and parents were not informed of this."

Officers wore protective gear, including vests and helmets, and carried rifles that were unloaded and marked with colored tape to indicate they were not live weapons, the newspaper said.

Diana Silva, a parent of an eighth-grade student, said the drill went too far.

"My child was with his face to the wall in the hallway of the high school," Silva said. "I certainly don't want anything like this happening to my child."

Principal David Britten said students weren't told ahead of time to make the drill as realistic as possible. Teachers were informed moments before it took place, he said

"I think this is the best way to do it," Britten said. "We're not looking to scare anyone, but we want a sense of urgency."

But Wyoming Police Chief James Carmody said his officers were not aware students and parents were not told. He said his department will mandate that parents be notified ahead of time in the future.

"The purpose was to show how we will evacuate the classroom, not to assault the classroom," Carmody said.

badbob
 
Each of them participating should be tried for official oppression. They should be fired immediatley, that goes without saying, but each one of them participating upon orders from superiors should be tried for official oppression, and a jury determine their fate, however, the idiot which ordered this lunacy meted out, in my opinion should be placed in solitary confinement for the balance of his or her lifespan.

That, is the only way this will not recurr.
 
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Where in to protect and to serve, does lying to innocents come in?

I see stuff like this, and every time I see a C.O.P.S. episode, and an officer tell a suspect "you need to tell me the truth, the truth shall set you free" etc., and attempt to get them to incriminate themselves with the promise "It'll go easier if you tell us the truth" it makes me wonder how a cop could look some fifth grader in the face and lie to them, and then expect to be respected by the kids coming up.

What I'd like to see, is some outrage by officers on these type of gestapo, government sponsored lie tactics.

It is infuriating to see stuff like this, because it harms the good cops. And there are a bunch more good ones than bad.

But it sure doesn't help to see an officially sponsored lie operation.
 
Are you saying that everyone should have the right to go packin anytime they want?? I don't think so.
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Liberals talk like this... :rolleyes:
"Are you saying this" or... "Are you saying that?"

Of course you never are saying what they are saying, you are saying, without actually saying it... :D

No, not "EVERYONE"...
I've always thought the arms vs government [2nd amendment] argument to be a bit - no, severely - outdated.
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When a cop is so short-sighted, and shallow-minded, as to say we no longer need to be vigilant against crimes from within the government... It is time to really worry... because they (LEOs) are our primary defense against the usurpation of OUR government and OUR rights... AND WHOEVER SAID THIS, IS A POTENTIAL BULLY and DICTATOR AND IS NO FRIEND OF THE PEOPLE... :mad:
 
Most officers I know (Myself included) are very pro-2nd amendment. In fact, I've yet to meet one here in GA which is against it...I've talked to the rare one that is on the fence, but the vast majority strongly support it.
 
I worked a gun show last year where we were getting people to write to their legislators to support Wisconsin's attempt at CCW.

A cop from Green Bay came up, said "hell yeah I think we all should be able defend ourselves."

"We", and "ourselves." This was a guy that didn't see a difference in class. I've yet to have a conversation (face to face) with an officer where he/she did not support our RKBA.

I wonder where all these JBT's hang out. The law enforcement I meet just aren't that way.

Elected officials... well that's a slightly different story.
 
Myself and everyone on my department are rabidly pro-2A. However you have to look at where and who we are. I work for a small department in rural Alaska. All of us were either born here or adopted the mindset.

My chief is old school and been in it for over 30 years. I'm 43 and the last generation that recieved and honest public education that wasn't contaminated with PC and revisionism.

We've in the past out of necessity, had to hire DSMFs to come up here and work for us. Due to their DSMF education and brain-washing they have gotten antsy when seeing 4-wheelers, boats and vehicles bristling with guns as they're passing by and have had to get their chains yanked for acting stupid toward citizens.

It doesn't surprise me that you are going to see some of the comments you do on officer.com. I tend to not hang out in such places as my job is what I do, not who I am.

In my older age I find myself becoming less tolerant to stupidity regardless whose mouth it spews from.
 
What they need

Is Officer Jack McLamb's newsletter " Aid and Abet" and some schooling from this old retired cop who was done " Serpico" style for standing up to this kind of abusive tactics. He'll set them straight.
 
Police come from the ranks of regular citizens. Just like citizens dont agree on the right to own and bear arms you will probably find police who also oppose 2nd amendment rights.
 
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