Police alcohol detector raises privacy question: who owns your breath?

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Police alcohol detector raises privacy question: who owns your breath?
Copyright © 2000 Nando Media
Copyright © 2000 Christian Science Monitor Service

By WARREN RICHEY, Christian Science Monitor

(August 23, 2000 3:57 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - A miniature Breathalyzer disguised as a police flashlight raises a new issue in the debate over privacy in America.

The devices, which are being used by police and highway patrol officers in more than half the states, pick up tiny traces of alcohol on a driver's breath that the officers' own noses might miss.

Armed with that tip-off, the police officer then uses a battery of investigative techniques, sobriety tests, and blood-alcohol detection equipment to determine whether the driver should be arrested.

Highway safety groups such as Mothers Against Drunk Drivers praise the flashlight sniffers as an important crime-fighting tool.

But others see them as a threat to basic constitutional freedoms.

Civil liberties groups and defense lawyers say the use of such concealed devices, when aimed into a car to measure a driver's breath, is a violation of the right to privacy.

"I have no doubt that if the device is working properly that it would be of great benefit to law enforcement," says Steven Oberman, a Knoxville, Tenn., lawyer who specializes in defending DUI cases. "As with many law-enforcement tools, we must weigh the intrusion to privacy with the right of citizens to live in a free society."

He and other defense attorneys say police violate citizens' privacy rights when officers set up roadblocks and force drivers to unknowingly undergo potentially incriminating tests without any prior suspicion that the driver may have acted unlawfully.

The Fourth Amendment to the Constitution generally forbids police from taking action against a driver unless they have a reasonable suspicion that the driver has done something wrong.

But the Supreme Court has ruled that under certain limited circumstances - such as roadside sobriety checkpoints - the police may act without any prior suspicion.

And the nation's highest court may soon expand that exception to include random roadside checkpoints to detect drugs hidden in cars. In a case to be argued this fall, the justices will decide whether police in Indianapolis acted properly when they set up a roadblock and led a drug-sniffing dog around each stopped car.

Civil libertarians warn that such cases are undermining the constitutional safeguard of requiring that police have probable cause prior to infringing on the rights of citizens. And some state judges have agreed.

But most states view roadside checkpoints as minor intrusions of a driver's privacy.

Lawrence Taylor, a defense lawyer in Los Angeles and national expert on DUI law, says that exceptions to constitutional protections were allowed in an effort to battle drunk driving. And now those exceptions are spilling over into other areas of law enforcement.

"Legislators are violating the constitutional rights of suspects in drunk-driving cases," Taylor says. "That sets precedents. If you can do it with a DUI case, why can't you do it with a drug case, or a burglary case, or a murder case?"

He adds, "Once you set the precedent, then it is just a question of interpretation."

Michele Fields, general counsel of the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, sees the use of flashlight sniffers as an effective tool in dramatically increasing the ability of police to detect drivers who drink.

A 1993 study in Virginia conducted by the Insurance Institute found that police at sobriety checkpoints were able to detect only 55 percent of drivers who were legally drunk. When they were given the sniffer machines, the detection rate rose to 71 percent.

Fields and other supporters of the devices say the high detection rates justify what they term a relatively minor inconvenience to drivers at random checkpoints.

As for privacy, Fields says Americans do not enjoy a reasonable expectation that their breath will remain private once they exhale.

Defense lawyers counter that as long as the suspended breath is still inside the driver's own car, it is in a zone of privacy.

But Fields says the law recognizes a kind of breathing equivalent to what lawyers call the "plain sight doctrine."

That legal doctrine says that police do not need a search warrant or probable cause to take law-enforcement action when contraband is in plain sight in a car.

For example, if a police officer pulls over a driver with a broken tail light and notices a bag of marijuana sitting on the car seat, the officer may seize the marijuana and charge the driver with drug possession without first obtaining a search warrant.

Who owns your breath?

Fields says a driver's exhaled breath is no longer the driver's private property.

"Once you have expired it and co-mingled it with the ambient air around you, however you want to analyze it, it is abandoned property and it is not protected by the Fourth Amendment," Fields says.

"Society does not recognize that we have a privacy interest in the way we smell. If we go out in the world, people are going to smell us."
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"We lost the first and third and now they are after the Second!(no pun intended)"
 
Presvent vor papers pleez. Gotta love the drug war, I know if they do that I'll feel safer for sure, especially being terrorized by stormtroppers. Oh well we don't have enough laws, hell we need a cop station and camera surveilence in every home and I expect to be given random blood test to assure the .gov I'm not eating too many fatty foods and destroying goverment property. - hell with it, this situation is going to deteriorate quick, it will just keep getting worse. It makes me so damn mad that "victims" er, I mean citizens support this crap I could pull my hair our. On the plus side though if I do I could join the scary bald guy club.
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Yeah, I think these flashlight alcohol detectors have been around for a while. I heard about them about 10 years ago when I was in High School. I'm surprised we haven't heard a fuss about them earlier. Of course, I'm in the Peoples Republic of New York where the sheeple are easily led.

"Headquvarters to Checkpoint Charlie; Vat is your status?"

"Headquarters, Ve are intercepting and inspecting every vehicle as ordered. If ve can just save von child it is vorth it!"


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The first step is registration, the second step is confiscation, the final step is subjugation.
 
Frankly, for routine traffic stops, I'd LOVE to have one of these. I've seen Dallas PD officers use 'em. Here's the thing, y'all: they're NOT admissible in court as evidence. They're just another tool to tell you whether or not you should proceed with an investigation.

Consider a Friday night traffic stop. You're the cop who's just pulled over a guy leaving a popular nightclub area of the city, and it's about 1:00 AM. The guy has run a stop sign, and you believe him when he tells you that he just didn't see it. You know that this is common behavior indicative of drunk driving, but you've got hay fever; you simply cannot smell whether or not he's been drinking. He says he hasn't. Decision time: pull him out of the car to make hime "prove it" (your reasonable suspicion is going to be a bit thin if you can't smell it") or just let him go, hoping he doesn't broadside a family of five? An indicator that shows that he has, in fact, been drinking would be very helpful here. You could make the valid, if embarrassing to him, decision to perform a field sobriety test, and form your conclusions there.

Or you could say "Well, only the officers with the most sensitive noses can make investigations into possible DWI." (Very much akin to saying that officers who have to wear glasses should not be allowed to use sight gathered through their spectacles during investigations.)

The light helps to provide a quick indicator of whether you need to keep holding this citizen up on the side of the road, or let him go.

How many of us have been so sleepy that we were weaving? If stopped, wouldn't YOU want the officer to be equipped with one of these, rather than to find yourself suddenly hauled out to the roadside, to defend your sobriety?
These tools can actually reduce your inconveniences and legal harrassment, so long as the stop is legal...
 
I have to disagree with the entire drunk driving system (you knew SOMEBODY on here would eventually).

The problem is that we have people who cannot drive safely no matter how much they pay attention because they drank themselves drunk and we want to get them off of the road. So, do we measure the ability of the person in question to drive? No, we decide that having a certain level of alcohol in your blood makes you unfit to drive which is patently untrue for many people. To make matters worse, different states have different levels ("Well, I'm drunk in Jersey, but not in Virginia") So we've already set us up to prosecute people who were drinking, but were not impaired enough to be unable to operate their vehicle.

So, do we test the blood levels of people that we pull over? No, we test for particles in their exhaled breath that usually indicate how much alcohol in in their blood, but not always. So, now we've got two levels of error; one of which magnifies the other.

And now, on this system which will certainly convict people of drunk driving who were not, we want to give the police more power to test more people.

Sheesh!! At least the field sobriety tests seemed somewhat reasonable.
 
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The state does when it comes to driving. If it's been decided that you must bend over for the anal probe to get your driver's license, then bend over you shall. The fun that goes with getting a privilege from the state :(.
 
In Iowa, when issued a drivers license you give the state this right.. it's called Implied consent.

If a peace officer stops you for a traffic violation or other legit reason and has the reasonable suspision you are under the influence of alcohol or drugs he has the right to ask you to perform Feild Sobriety tests.

These might include #1 Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus, #2. Walk & turm test, #3. one leg stand test, #4 Peliminary breath test [PBT]. All of these tests will help the officer either confirm or eliminate there suspisions.

The Presumed level of intoxication in Iowa is .10 bac. In other states it = .08bac. There is a push by the federal goverment to lower this rate to .08 in all 50 states. @ 16,000 people are killed in alcohol related accidents in the U.S. each year with many more injured and property damages in the hundreds of millions.

Taking impaired drivers off our roads benifits everyone. There are many alternatives to driving while impaired, Calling a cab, designated drivers, not driving, limiting the amount of alcohol consumed... etc..

Ihave rights also, one of them is not to be killed or maimed by an impaired driver. The more of them that are arrested and taken off our highways.. the better.
 
Lets say I stop you because you ran a red light ( I know you wouldn't ) And I smell
what seems to be an alcaholic beverage.
As far as I can tell you are free game for
a sobriety test. Whatever is in the air belongs to everyone. I can't tell you the times i've walked by people and they are smoking a little weed. It usually doesn;t bother me unless thay are flagrent about it and try to blow it in my face.
 
Sorry Longpath, I just can not agree.

If, on a Friday night/ Saturday morning, I am blowing through stop signs then I have the reasonable expectation to be pulled over- any cop is going to administer sobriety tests. The article suggests precident, what happens when technology allows police on a full scale to use E/M, infrared, or xray to see inside of the cars? Technology already exists to read a computer screen based on emitted radiation. What happens when this stuff is affordable? Will you then say it is good this way we can peer into the trunk without the knowledge of rite violation, or some one peer into a private household a see porn or other financial info?
Wee all oppose trigger locks laws because of enforcement would violate reasonable search.

I will not buy into stronger enforcement tacticts for "the children" or to prtect that family of five. I may be callous, but I will not sacrifice my right to privacy to make your job easier.
 
I believe you can rescind your consent at any time. The state can then confiscate your license.

I believe you automatically lose your license for one year in CA if you refuse to submit to sobriety tests. Incidentally, this is about the same length of time you lose your license if convicted of DUI, plus you have 3 years of probation in which you cannot have detectable alcohol in your system while driving.

This goes to show you that you shouldn't roll your window down more than it takes to hand over your license, etc. The cops aren't there to help you.
 
I'm torn.

Here is why.
1. I can not stand DRUNK DRIVERS. People convicted of drunk drive should on the spot be put in a meat grinder and fed to hungry rats.

BUT

2. I am aversed to in possible infringment on personal liberty. This seems to be an infringement. I dispise seatbelt laws and helmet laws too. Yes I know the benifit of wearing both of them - but at the same time I find it vomitous.
 
When you sign your driver's license you're entering into a civil contract with the state that says you agree to abide by all laws even if they're unconstitutional. I signed my driver's license "under duress, all rights reserved." The state has compelled me, under threat of arrest, to obtain a driver's license. I obtained the required license for my own convenience, but I refuse to waive my rights.

In my opinion, if you're stopped by police and asked to perform field sobriety tests, you should politely decline and say nothing more. Most people don't realize they can refuse to perform these tests. All you're doing is incriminating yourself by giving authorities the probable cause they need to arrest you. Your only obligations are to pull over, present the documents the state requires you to possess, and to comply with lawful commands. You're not required to answer any requests for information, participate in any tests or give any consent to search. Law enforcement authorities have the right to ask, but you also have the right to decline.

I also wouldn't give a breathalyzer sample because it provides the hard evidence to obtain a conviction. I might lose my license by refusing, but temporarily losing my license is better than being convicted of a crime.

I don't like drunk drivers on the road any less than anyone else. Drunks are a danger to others. But like any other contact with law enforcement, if you're pulled over you need to know your rights and exercise them for your own self-interest. When I was an LEO, I was amazed at the number of citizens who unwittingly incriminated themselves, either for temporary convenience or because they didn't know any better.

That said, I don't like the breath analyzer that's disguised as a flashlight. The courts may eventually rule otherwise, but I believe it intereferes with my right against self-incrimination. If I were still a cop, I'd welcome any new technology, like this new flashlight/breathalyzer, that would make my job easier and allow me to be more effective. But I'm now a private citizen, and when I obtained my driver's license, I didn't waive my rights and I didn't give implied consent.

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Ah - see there is another reason why I am pissed at The System. The state grants PRIVLAGE to you to drive a car YOU bought... on roads that they built, yes - but with funds YOU gave them.

Thats screwed up. Seeing how there is no open terrain to drive to work and back with out driving on the roadsway...
Compulsion isnt freedom.
 
I dont like drunk drivers eather,lets get that out of the way.

I some times take workers home that are drinking beer that I bought for them, cause they worked well, I wont let them through the cans out, so they end up on the floor of my truck, thats ok with me, some will have alcohol left in them, so if I get stoped by a LEO with one of thies sniffer lights an he stickes it in. What the HELL is it going to smell? (Sure no need to explain)

I also may have had a beer, so I get pulled over. Do I let him give me a breathalizer test? NO I don`t. Do a sobrity test? Yes I do. If he wants a blood alcohol test? Sure no problem. Assuming that it is an actual blood test.

The point is, if you just had a beer and not legaly drunk the breathalizer test will still regester the alcohol from your mouth and esophigus (sp)and show a higher reading than what your blood level is. This info, I came by second hand from a doctor. I would like comments on this. And I`m sure I will get some.

Have a nice day. And excuse my spelling.
 
Some police don't even need a Breathalyzer!
I came out of a bar in Augusta, GA. got into my car and drove about 75 feet when I was stopped by the police.
Cops: Lets see your drivers license.
Me: Yes sir, but why did you stop me?
Cops: You've been drinking.
Me: No I have not.
Cops: We just saw you come out of that bar.
Me: Yes.....but all I had was a coke.
Cops: Don't give us that stuff....you've been drinking.
Me: Would you like to go back to the bar and ask the bartender exactly what I had to drink?
Cops: Yeah, lets go.

Cops: Bartender, did this man just leave this bar?
Bartender: Yes sir.
Cops: What was he drinking?
Bartender: Coke.
Cops: OK...you can go now....just be careful next time.

WTF?

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Shawn, when signing with "under duress, all rights reserved", would that hold up in court? I may try that when I renew my license.

DorGunR, soon we'll all learn how to extend our arm at a 45 degree angle, straight in front of our body and Heil our leaders...

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Signing your driver license in the manner Mr.Dodsons suggests = means nothing in a court.

If you refuse to submit to field sobriety testing and a refuse to give a breath sample into an intoxilizer in Iowa = loss of driveing privlidges for 1 year, [instead of 180 days if found operating at .10 or more] + you still get charged with O.W.I. and taken to court.

Peace officers only have to prove impairment, to get a conviction for O.W.I. Some people are very impaired to drive at say... .05 bac.
 
I'm kinda in George's boat on this = torn ('cept for the grinder & rats).

One issue right off is the feds setting limits or withholding our own states' money if we don't cave in to their standards.

In many/most(?) states, your vehicle is an extension of your domicile & so's everything in it. If the cops want to search my garbage (inside the house), they need PC & a warrant. Not until I dump it outside do they get to rummage through it scott-free.
Same should go for inside my car. & running a stop sign at night doesn't give 'em carte blanche to go searching for anything at all for a "mere" traffic infraction. Sticking a breath-a-lyzer in my face is a search.

Impairment for one may be at .05bac & not for another till .1 Why's the latter get tagged for DWI/DUI when he's neither? Not too hip on "one size fits all standards."
 
But ... but ... but ... a driver's licence is a privilege, just like gun ownership!

Here:

1. We do have RBT (Random Breath Testing) using the colloquial "booze bus". Cars are pulled over at random -- or all of them -- and drivers take a preliminary "blow in the bag". If over 0.05, they are required to take either (a) a breathalyser test (this is the big brother of the handheld units, and admissible in court) or (b) a blood test.

You can refuse the breathalyser, but then you will have to have a blood test.

Refuse that, and the charge is no longer a driving offence, it is now a criminal charge on top of a driving offence!!

2. Cars are not viewed as your home; they can be searched at whim by police.

3. Roadblocks are held by police occasionally, looking "for drugs or guns". They stop and search every vehicle.

4. Roadblocks are also legally held by various agriculture authorities (to prevent spread of fruit fly etc.) who will confiscate fruit/vegetables etc to prevent them being transported into disease-free areas -- as well as fisheries inspectors, checking for illegal/undersize/out-of-season lobsters, marron (freshwater lobster), abalone etc. You {b]don't[/b] mess with these latter, as they have the authority to seize your vehicle and/or boat etc. on the spot.

5. Police don't need a reason to pull you over; they just can. Once pulled over, they can make you undergo a "preliminary breath test" as a matter of course.

6. Field sobriety tests were dropped as an option years ago.

7. Our State level used to be 0.08, until the Federal Government threatened to cut off road funding unless we "complied" with their demands for 0.05. Same threat they used with the uniform firearms legislation.

BTW, I loathe drunk drivers, even though when younger I admit I did it myself on more than one occasion. But there were far fewer cars on the roads then.

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