Pol/Legal: AC on Spitzer

This is a disaster for Hillary Clinton by Ann Coulter.
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According to the wiretaps, New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer was delighted to be getting the prostitute "Kristen" again. At least he knew her name. It took Monica Lewinsky's boyfriend six sexual encounters to remember her name (raising his lifetime average to 8.2).

You know that queasy feeling you get thinking about Bill Clinton back in the White House again? Now you remember why. Hillary Clinton couldn't feel worse about the Spitzer case if she were an actual New Yorker.

Proving that Karl Marx got everything wrong -- more bad news for Hillary -- history is indeed repeating itself, but, contra Marx, the first time as farce, the second time as tragedy. Clinton's scandal was hilarious; Spitzer's is just depressing.

Most people outside of New York can't grasp the enormity of Spitzer's political free fall.

Eliot Spitzer was the golden boy with an absolutely charmed life. His parents were the children of Jewish immigrants, who created a Ralph Lauren lifestyle for their children.

Spitzer's father made half a billion dollars in New York real estate and raised three high-achieving children -- two lawyers and a neurosurgeon. In a family like that, becoming governor of New York makes you the black sheep.

Spitzer went to the best schools -- Horace Mann, Princeton and Harvard Law School. He must have written some good papers.

He lives at the perfect address (Fifth Avenue and 79th St.) with his perfect Harvard Law School-educated Southern Baptist wife -- whose parents must be telling her they told her so right about now -- and their three perfect daughters. (Admittedly, the apartment is a gift from Dad: A mere top-flight education doesn't get you an apartment overlooking Central Park.)

And now Spitzer's entire anal-retentive, good paper-writing life has collapsed in the horrifying image of a frenzied masturbator. This is the most complete coup de grace imaginable, short of an assassin's bullet.

Spitzer's life is ruined. It doesn't matter if he has defenders who will wail, "It's his private life!" It doesn't matter if he fights the charges. It doesn't matter if this was a political prosecution. As Talleyrand said: "It's worse than a crime; it's a blunder."

Eliot Spitzer, Harvard Law graduate and Fifth Avenue denizen, is forevermore: "Client No. 9."

Forget about his career -- those around him better have him on suicide watch. Dudley Do-Right is on tape in a white-knuckle negotiation with pimps about payment for a prostitute. (Let's just be thankful that there's no anti-Semitic expression for Jews haggling about money.)

No one will ever be able to look him in the eye again. How can Spitzer hold a press conference when reporters won't stop giggling at him?

Spitzer can't go to the restaurants he used to frequent. He can't go to the Whitney Museum near his apartment. He can't go to track meets at his daughters' expensive private school. He can't show his face in public.

The golden boy's disgrace is deep and subliminal; it can't be expunged.

One shudders to imagine the sepulchral gloom pervading the Spitzer home this week. At least Hillary would liven the place up with some lamp-throwing.

Whatever Spitzer's flaws, he was a pristine product of wealth and attainment. And he threw away a star-studded life of accomplishment in a wanton, reckless pursuit of sex with prostitutes.

There's no prettifying what Spitzer has done. The Web site of the "Emperor's Club VIP" whorehouse patronized by Spitzer heroically claims the prostitutes -- or "models" -- are chosen for their "level of education, family background, intelligence, personality."

One can almost hear the typical John, heavy-breathing into the phone: "And this one you call 'Busty Betty' -- does she come from a good family? Parents still together? What church do they attend?"

Surprising no one, police wiretaps indicate that the "models" were semi-literate, could not learn to swipe a credit card and seemed invariably to be on drugs. That's what you get for $2,000 an hour in this charming business.

After one prostitute missed an appointment and left a "crazy" text message for one of her pimps, the procurer remarks that the girl is on drugs. It seems, the procurer adds, "a lot of these girls deteriorate to this point."

Behold the "victimless" crime of prostitution. Hard to believe these girls would turn to drugs. Having sex with strangers for money, nothing to live for ... just thinking about it makes me want to take drugs.

It's absurd to talk about Spitzer's problem being "hypocrisy" -- as if everything would be fine if only he had previously advocated legalized prostitution.

It's absurd to talk about "alpha males" and political power -- an alpha male does not bring his family shame and disaster. Who was more alpha than Ronald Reagan? Think he ever had a "whore problem"? This is more like a dog who wee-wees on your leg.

It's absurd to talk about legal defenses. This guy has fallen from the pinnacle of New York society to being a disgrace to his class. He's the Ivy League version of Paris Hilton.

That was always the advantage Clinton had: We never expected any better. He went from Skunk Trot, Ark., to Skunk Trot, Ark. Spitzer fell from Fifth Avenue to Skunk Trot, Ark.
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Why should this be any more detrimental to the Democrats Campaign than the recient sex scandals with the Republicans. People who are going to base their vote on any of these scandals probably would use the phase of the moon to make the same decision. It is more beneficial to Ann Coulter than anyone else. She now has another dog to beat to death. To bad she didn't beat the same dogs when the infamous airport bathroom scandal took place. Ann just loves it when she can point in the one direction:point out the bad democrats.

Before November we will probably see at least one more sex scandal with another big time politician. It won't cause any of the candidates to loose the election. The only voters who will be affected are the ones who change their vote every time there has been a sex scandal. They change parties every time the read one of these sex issues like they are turning from one page to another in a book. First they vote Democrat then they vote Republican and they waffle back and forth like a teeter toter. I'd say they probably changed their votes six times in the last two years.
 
All this huffin and puffin over nothing!
I bet many on this board have tried this at least once.
Or would if they could afford it.

And yes, there are probably many on here who swing the other way.
At one time that really bothered me too. But now I'm older and forgiving.

It's human, and we make mistakes.
Live, and Let Live.

LIVE, AND LET LIVE!
 
All this huffin and puffin over nothing!
I bet many on this board have tried this at least once.

I'll bet no one else on this board was AG of the State of New York and prosecuting prostitution rings.

It was alot more than once he has been engaging the services of prostitutes over the last ten years, that we know of.

Spitzer is a sanctimonious, egotistical, ass who is getting what he deserves.
 
I'd save the partisan finger pointing until we find out who 1-8 are.

My initial reaction to the Spitzer news was to imagine a lot of partying taking place in white collar prisons. But another revelation from all this is that he really didn't have much success in court. I suspect that after the campaign stops flowing there will be a lot of guys on Wall Street who wish that they'd had the guts to stand up to him.
 
All this huffin and puffin over nothing!
I bet many on this board have tried this at least once.
Or would if they could afford it.

Uhhh ....Yeah I had a better offer for free than what he PAID for and turned it down. I don't understand why he felt compelled, not like his wife was bad looking..... Actually I think his wife looks better (classy not trashy).
 
I think shes kinda hot, but hey, I like it sleazy...

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Wrascal, re:post#6

Wrascal said:
All this huffin and puffin over nothing!
I bet many on this board have tried this at least once.
Or would if they could afford it.

And yes, there are probably many on here who swing the other way.
At one time that really bothered me too. But now I'm older and forgiving.

It's human, and we make mistakes.
Live, and Let Live.

LIVE, AND LET LIVE!

I don't think most people actively prosecute prostitutes/prostitution and at the same time, employ the services of prostitutes/prostitution like Spitzer did.

That's like actively persecuting murder/theft/etc. while at the same time, engage in the same said activites.

It's one thing if Spitzer during his career stated that there was nothing with prostitution and that he is an active patron of it, and that he is not going to prosecute any prostitutes and prostitution business.

However, Spitzer didn't do that. Instead, he actively went against prostitution business and prostitutes and pursued active criminal charges against them, reaping political benefit from it.

You can't have it both ways. Benefit from active persecution of crime and engage in the same activity, and then, afterward say, it's not a big deal.

--J
PS
To be honest, I don't know of anybody who actively engaged the services of a prostitute (and people I know include very high net worth individuals who would have no qualms paying thousands of dollars to engage the services of one). Actually, make one correction: I did know of one LEO who used one when he was in NV and it was legal over there.
 
I'm not crazy about the concept of SARs. I don't like the idea of my bank, who makes money when I deposit with them, turning me over to the feds because I withdrew four or five grand. And I don't like the idea of the feds, who are funded by the money I had before I deposited what they didn't take into my bank, acting on that report.

Knowing that this process was used to nail a guy who would of used it is some comfort, but I still wonder if it makes sense to pay public servants to track a bunch of small banking transactions.
 
I love Ann Coulter, and she has a great point.

The Democrats are eating each other for breakfast, using the exact same tactics against each other they've used on us for decades.
 
I don't like the idea of my bank, who makes money when I deposit with them, turning me over to the feds because I withdrew four or five grand. And I don't like the idea of the feds, who are funded by the money I had before I deposited what they didn't take into my bank, acting on that report.

It is over $10,000 not four or five.

Who here really believes it was some low level bank clerk who turned in Spitzer?

He had a whole host of people who wanted to get him and they did.
 
It is over $10,000 not four or five.

Who here really believes it was some low level bank clerk who turned in Spitzer?

He had a whole host of people who wanted to get him and they did.

My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that a bank can file an SAR for a transaction as low as 4k. And that it's illegal to transport more than 10k across the border.

And no, I don't believe that this was a random event.
 
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