point to ponder for the warning shot crowd...

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I haven't really been watching this at all, but this is a fairly high profile case because it's related to the death of rapper Proof.

http://breitbart.com/news/2006/09/20/D8K90QR80.html

The shots that killed Proof were found to have been made legally in self defense of another person...so no manslaughter/murder charges. BUT:

The man authorities say killed the rapper Proof in lawful defense of another man during a nightclub shootout was convicted Wednesday of two weapons charges related to the incident.

Following a three-day trial, a jury found Mario Etheridge, 28, guilty of carrying a concealed weapon and discharging a firearm inside a building. The concealed weapon charge is punishable by up to five years in prison; the second charge carries a maximum penalty of four years in prison. However, Etheridge could be sentenced to only probation because he has no criminal record, Wayne County Assistant Prosecutor Elizabeth Walker told the Detroit Free Press.

Authorities say Etheridge shot and killed Proof, whose real name was Deshaun Holton, after Proof fatally shot Etheridge's cousin, Keith Bender. Etheridge's lawyer has said that Proof was set off by a dispute over a game of pool at the CCC, an after-hours nightclub on Detroit's Eight Mile Road.

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy has said Etheridge acted lawfully in defense of Bender when he fired at Proof. But she said Etheridge shot twice at the ceiling in an effort to stop Proof before aiming the gun at him. Those shots were the basis for the charge of illegally firing a weapon.

"No one can calm a violent situation down by introducing a weapon," said Walker, who handled the case. "Today's verdict proves this."

A message seeking comment was left for Etheridge's attorney.

Sentencing is scheduled for Oct. 17 before Wayne County Circuit Judge Vera Massey Jones.

Proof, 32, was a member of the rap group D12 and was a close friend of Grammy- and Oscar-winning rapper Eminem, who spoke at his funeral.
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One day I missed a Silhouette target (we call them "green men") on the snap shot. The RSO called them "warning shots" I replied that I like my warning shots to be two to COM.

I understand the sentiment of the prosecutor. A warning shot is in fact an uncontrolled shot, who knows where that round is going? If I am not mistaken, with CCW in the US the defensive shooter has to account for and be responsible for every round that leaves his defensive firearm when there are innocents downrange. Those two he fired into the roof could have overpenetrated the ceiling and hit who or what upstairs?
 
Although in my inexperience, a warning shot sounds like a rather good idea, provided your outside. In a multi level building? no.
 
Although in my inexperience, a warning shot sounds like a rather good idea, provided your outside. In a multi level building? no.
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No it doesn't. The only reason to shoot up in the air is if you're hunting birds.
 
Warning shots are never a good idea. We must be responsible for every shot we fire, and a shot fired into the air, ceiling, ground, floor or elsewhere is (as someone stated) an out-of-control shot. A round into the air is especially bad, since it has to come back down eventually, and you have no clue where that will be.
 
"No one can calm a violent situation down by introducing a weapon," said Walker, who handled the case.
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<sarcasm> That's why police never ever take anyone at gunpoint, relying instead on talking the guy into custody. </sarcasm>

Seriously, firing a warning shot is a stupid waste of ammunition. But it's just silly to say what the spokesbeing said.

pax
 
So if you get into a heated gun battle(not very likly) but if you did and were ducking behind a car and go through 2 mags to stop the BG you have to acount for all 26 shots that you fire when your not paying that much attention your really just fighting for you life. and we can get introuble for discharging in public then what good is a CHL again. are you just suppose to show them your gun and hope that they run away or are you suppose to pistol whip them? because all the post i've read about actually doing the deed everyone afterward seems to get to trouble for doing it even though they were lawful in what they did.
 
So if you get into a heated gun battle(not very likly) but if you did and were ducking behind a car and go through 2 mags to stop the BG you have to acount for all 26 shots that you fire when your not paying that much attention your really just fighting for you life. and we can get introuble for discharging in public then what good is a CHL again.
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If you're not paying attention your dead. From what I gather from your post you could really use some training.

are you just suppose to show them your gun and hope that they run away or are you suppose to pistol whip them? because all the post i've read about actually doing the deed everyone afterward seems to get to trouble for doing it even though they were lawful in what they did.
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Get some training and stop relying on internet folk lore for your education on firearms tactics and training.
 
Im inclined to agree with pickpocket and smiller. Warning shots are not a good idea. As said earlier, we are responsible for every round fired and if one of those "warning" rounds hits some innocent bystander, now you just went from lawful citizen to bad guy. At certain times in Iraq, Marines are required to fire "warning shots" before using deadly force and I never understood why. You would think that pointing a loaded weapon at someone who is threatening you with harm should be warning enough that you mean business. But then again, today many people fail to use the common sense god gave them.
 
Y does everyone have to be ------- on this forum yall act all high and mighty when it comes down to it i probally shoot better than you do. I only asked a simple question.
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Simple, it's the way you ask and I wasn't being high and mighty I was being truthful because what you posted was unrealistic and showed a lack of training in tactics. Being able to stand on a range and shoot has nothing to do with a two way range. I'm sure you can shoot better than me when we are standing side by side at the range. How do you fair in a FOF range. That is where you will measure your skill and knowledge of tactics and training.
Think I'm a D$#%? Who cares, anyone who knows me, knows I'm a d$%^. I train and take training serious.
 
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If his lawyer isn't stupid he'll get that "firing a shot inside a building" charge thrown out immediately. If the killing of "Proof" was ruled justified, then there's no way that firing a shot inside in an effort to avoid having to kill him would not be justified. Crazy anti-gun Wayne county, makes me ill.
 
Yes Twin, you are responsible for any and all rounds you have fired, where they go, and what they do when they get there.

You MAY be found to have "recklessly" or with "criminal negligence" commited an assault, endangerment, manslaughter, or whatever your state calls such events.

You MAY be justified via this gem:
"Such conduct is necessary as an emergency measure to avoid an imminent public or private injury which is about to occur by reason of a situation occasioned or developed through no fault of the actor, and which is of such gravity that, according to ordinary standards of intelligence and morality, the desirability and urgency of avoiding such injury clearly outweigh the desirability of avoiding the injury sought to be prevented by the statute defining the offense in issue"

Also, personal lawsuits may arise because of your actions.
 
You are financially, legally and morally responsible for every round that leaves the barrel of your gun.

There are many good arguments against "warning shots", not the least of which is that you can rarely control where that bullet ends up.
 
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