PMR-30 funky mag release...

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Big Shrek

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Ok, I'm old, I know it...all my pistols except for the new PMR-30 and an old 1939 HiStandard B have normal mag releases...
the B & PMR have Heel releases...and I'm just not finding a fast way to swap mags on these...

So I'd appreciate a bit of info on how to make faster mag swaps, if there is a way??
 
Hahaha...HA! It holds THIRTY rounds of .22 WMR and you want a faster magazine swap.

I guess your fastest option is going to be a New York Reload.
That would be an expensive answer but at the price & availability of .22WMR these days, burning quickly through 30-rd magazines is going to be expensive as well.
 
The only way I could imagine speeding it up is if you hold the spare in your hand as you release the empty magazine, but with the PMR magazine being as bulky as it is that might be difficult if you have smaller hands.

Honestly I like the heel release for range pistols, I hate dropping empty mags on the ground, and the heel release makes for a pretty slick one handed mag change whereas I usually use two hands with button releases.
 
Big Shrek said:
So I'd appreciate a bit of info on how to make faster mag swaps, if there is a way??
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I suspect that question was asked with tongue in cheek...

If not, unless you anticipate being attacked by a bunch of angry squirrels or incensed/rabid raccoons, it seems to be an arguably unneeded skill.

(As I keyed that in, I checked and learned that the proper terms for a bunch of squirrels is a "dray" and a bunch of raccoons is a "gaze." Wonderful thing, the internet! :) )

The mag of a PMR-30 can probably be changed as quickly as the mags on an early Browning BDA (.45) -- a variant of the SIG P-220, a SIG P210, the P-38, or a few other European guns with the release on the heel of the grip...
 
I'm one of those gifted weirdos that can fire almost as fast as Jerry Miculek, but not quite as precise...
good enough to give my SASS/GSSF/IDPA brethren fits at the range tho ;)

And i've got a more than fair amount of .22WMR on hand, due to the other platforms I own...
Keltec P-30, 31, R-31, Marlin 25MN, 922M, and had a cute lil Chiappa revolver which I sold recently.
I'd stocked up prior to the ammo shortage just due to having several .22WMR's, so that paid off ;)

I credit many long hours on the various gun games on various video game platforms...
mostly Sport Shooting USA & Police Trainer 2, where speed, precision, and fast trigger action is the key to victory.

Trigger time is still trigger time, even if there isn't any recoil.
You still work Speed, trigger control, target aquisition, reflexes, and accuracy.
And that's the great thing about a PMR-30...no real recoil...same as the Keltecs ;)

My mantra is 5 mags for each firearm. Which may be difficult with the PMR-30...
but still possible, as they do pop up on Ebay & gun shops from time to time.

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A long, poor, time ago, my only carry piece had a heel clip release. It was a NAA .22 auto that mimicked the lines of a smallish 1911, but had a DA/SA trigger and PPK style innards. Can't remember the model. So.I did some research into how to reload it fast. This is what I found...

In Europe there are militaries who still use, or recently used, heel clips. The preferred speed reload is done by canting the pistol similarly to how you would for an pushbutton mag swap. The left thumb engages the release, while the left index finger curls around the front of the grip just above the forward "toe" or the magazine. As the release is pressed the hand is ripped down towards the spare magazine, the index finger litterally stripping the empty mag out of the gun as it heads for the fresh mag.

Once you practice enough it is pretty fast, and shouldn't add more than about .25 seconds.
 
Samsmix
I'll have to look that up! Old Pharts can learn new tricks!!
Hopefully there's a u-tube vid or three :)



Creek Henry
I wouldn't mind a higher capacity mag, my Calico's (9mm & .22lr) hold 100 rds per mag
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The amount of fire my Retired Jarhead Wifey & my old Army butt could let loose if need be,
is somewhere around the amount the average 5-man squad could ;)
Just wait until the Twins are old enough...

BTW, are you a member of one of the Creek tribes??
 
samsmix said:
In Europe there are militaries who still use, or recently used, heel clips. The preferred speed reload is done by canting the pistol similarly to how you would for an pushbutton mag swap. The left thumb engages the release, while the left index finger curls around the front of the grip just above the forward "toe" or the magazine. As the release is pressed the hand is ripped down towards the spare magazine, the index finger litterally stripping the empty mag out of the gun as it heads for the fresh mag.
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That technique could work well with the PMR-30 -- even though the froint of the PMR-30 Mag base doesn't extend beyond the front of the grip, as do some of the WWII guns. You'd use the offhand (on it's way down, as described above ) to press the button on the heel of the grip forward (rather than to the rear as with the WWII guns).

The mag then JUMPS down several inches -- and if it doesn't drop free of the gun, it's still easily cleared by the other hand as you go to get the next mag. Just shaking the gun will probably clear it -- but I've not tried that. That's got to be a bit slower than a conventional (push button mag release), but it can still be done pretty quickly.
 
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Instead of the protruding front floor plate you could just hook the front or the mag when it jumps down a few inches.
 
I found the PMR mag release a very odd thing. The pistol was supposedly based on the Grendel P30 which has a side mount push-button release.

I had hoped that when the PMR came out the price for mags for my Grendel would get cheap enough to pick up a few. No joi though supposedly you can glue a plastic wedge on the PMR mage for the mag catch on the P30 to work.
 
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