Please respond to this article.

Longshot

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This is among the first of many emotion laden articles advocating the banning of handguns that will result from the terrible death of the six year old girl in Flint, Michigan. They just don't get it.

Please email this man, and drop a letter to the editor of our liberal rag, and set them straight with links, logic, and facts. These people aren't used to facts, and we need to help them. Be gentle :(

Link: http://www.oregonlive.com/oped/index.ssf?/oped/00/03/ed030312.frame

The Oregonian: March 3, 2000
MICHAEL MOORE

Suffer the children, and a whole community, too.

How much more can my hometown take? How much more do the people we love have to suffer?

Isn't it enough that tens of thousands of lives in Flint have been wrecked, destroyed by the greed of General Motors? Isn't it enough that my wife and I and tens of thousands of others who love our home have had to leave Flint in the past 20 years to find work far from family and friends? Isn't it enough that Flint suffers the highest or near-highest per-capita rates of murder, rape and theft in the nation?

I thought there was nothing else left for Flint to go through. Like Job, it seemed that every imaginable sorrow had been visited upon its people. I guess I was wrong.

I look up at the TV and a helicopter is hovering over a school while the words "Buell Elementary" flash on the screen.

Buell? Buell! At the end of "The Big One," when I twisted Nike chairman Phil Knight's arm to match my $10,000 contribution to the kids of Flint -- that $20,000 went to Buell Elementary.

Tuesday, a 6-year-old boy brought a semi-automatic gun to that very school in Flint and killed a 6-year-old girl in their first-grade classroom, a little girl named Kayla Rolland.

That's about the only thing the national media got right about the story.

You have probably heard that this school shooting happened in a place called Mount Morris Township, somewhere near Flint.

There is no such place.

Buell Elementary is in the Flint Beecher school district, the poorest school district in Genesee County, Mich. The Beecher part of Flint Beecher is Flint's dump. It is where you go when you have nothing left to your name, 60 percent black, 40 percent white; 82 percent of its children living below the official poverty level. No municipality in Genesee County wants to govern Beecher, so it exists as a No Man's Land on the northern city limits of Flint. But folks, when you hear the word "township" used in the case of Beecher, those of us from Flint mean it in the way the word was used in South Africa. Buell Elementary in the Flint Beecher school district has a Flint address and a Flint phone number, but the black officials from Flint on the news tried to point out that "this school really isn't in Flint!" It is amazing how deep oppression takes its roots when even black leaders repeatedly deny that people of their own race have anything to do with them.

Poor, poor Flint. The media blowhards babble on about how "this is the youngest child to kill another child in a school shooting" and the few anchors who started to look at their own helicopter shots showing the school sitting in the middle of a bombed-out neighborhood commented that "this is actually the first of all these school shootings we've had lately that has taken place in an 'urban' school." Wow. Two records for Flint in one day.

Homeless and fatherless (his dad is in jail as 30 percent of all black men in America will be at some point in their lives), the boy was staying at a flophouse. In the house were guns, as there are in virtually every home in this devastated and desperate area. The gun, that the boy found and took to school, was not some "junk gun," the kind that Al Gore promises to get rid of. It was a gun with a brand name bought initially at a sporting goods store.

How do John McCain and George W. Bush feel this morning? Just seven days prior, John McCain's "Straight Talk Express" bus rolled past Beecher on Interstate 75, but it didn't stop. It rolled on down near Ann Arbor where McCain blasted those who seek gun control, any gun control. Bush never stopped in Flint, either.

I'll end by repeating what I have said many times before: The handguns have to go. The fact is, 16,000 Americans died of gun murders last year.

That is the fact. Easy access to guns by a species that often responds irrationally and with intense emotions is a lethal combination.

Let the hunters keep their rifles after a serious background check, but the handguns, whose only purpose is to take a human life, must go. The Brits have done it, the Australians have done it, the Canadians have done it. Even New York City mostly did it, and the number of murders there has dropped from 2,200 a year to 600.

What are we waiting for? Another Kayla Rolland? God help you if you ever have to live in a township that no town will claim and is forgotten by everyone else as soon as the next gun nut enters a McDonald's and a Burger King on the same day. Fried or flame-broiled, it's all our own unique American Hell.


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Filmmaker Michael Moore can be reached at MMFlint@aol.com; his Web site address is http://www.michaelmoore.com.
 
I did respond to this article. I would encourage people to be proffesional when they do so. Otherwise it will work against us rather than for us. Always let people know that we are not crazed, gunslingers but everyday average people who are just as concerned with alot of the issues that we all face

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"what gives a government that arms the whole world the right to disarm it's own citizens?"
 
Here is my response:

This letter is in reply to the commentary by Michael Moore in the March 3rd Metro/NW section. Moore responded to the tragic shooting death of six year Kayla Roland with a guest column full of emotion and devoid of correct statistics or facts.

I will address two facts Mr. Moore did care to present. Firstly, Moore is not telling telling us the source of his obviously skewed statistic that 16,000 gun murders were committed last year. As usual, those who would rather blame an inanimate object for the ills of society, rather than attempt to examine the nature of the men and women who commit crimes, has neglected to define "gun murder". Has he thrown all gang, accidental, and police shootings into one convenient number to make our point? I think so. Just like the bogus fact that 13 children a day are killed by handguns. Sure, that is accurate if we define a child as aged 20 or younger, and lump all gang killings and police shootings in for good measure. But let's be sure to capitalize on the death of a six-year old child in an effort to find a quick fix statistic that supports our paradigm, and let's not mention that most of those guns, like the one that killed young Kayla, were stolen guns owned by criminals or obtained by the children of irresponsible parents. In poor Kayla's death, both were true. Trigger locks, 5-day waiting periods, and ridiculous legislation are not the solutions here; this is about good and evil, this is about personal and parental responsibility, this is about right and wrong, but this is not about inanimate hunks of metal.

Gun control and violent crime have the opposite effect that Moore has attempted to portray. The irony is, banning legal ownership of handguns would increase, not reduce gun violence. Gun violence in Canada, Britain, and Australia, not to mention major U.S. cities, actually increased when legal gun ownership was banned or restricted. Armed robbery has increased over 44% in Australia since their gun ban. Simple logic applies here. Criminals are not complete idiots. They do not obtain guns through legal channels. They prey on victims that are unable to defend themselves, and avoid those that would defend themselves with use of deadly force. This is why concealed carry laws are so important. Violent crime rates in states that have concealed carry permits are much lower than those that do not. Imagine how many of the shootings we have experienced in recent history could have been prevented or cut short if one or two armed and properly trained law abiding citizens had been present to thwart these evil acts. Call the police? Go ahead, call 100 police officers: Over 93% of them will tell you that they support the citizen that is prepared to defend himself/herself responsibly. They would also point out that privately owned firearms prevent over 2.5 million crimes per year, most of the time without a shot even being fired. Pointing a cell phone at a murderer while attempting to dial 911 will not likely make him think twice about taking your life, but a legally owned handgun has a completely different effect.

Infringing on the natural and constitutional right to own a gun for self-defense will never stop criminals from owning them. By disarming honest citizens, and allowing criminals to continuously be re-released into society to commit more crimes with stolen weapons, we are going to see more crime. Banning guns will not make them all disappear, nor will it discourage a criminal from owning them by whatever illegal means they can come up with. Before taking a stand on gun control, please recognize the difference between an honest citizen and a morally bankrupt career criminal, and realize further that the presence or absence of a gun will not convert one type of person into the other.


To the TFL board: I cut and pasted both article and response and emailed them to my Senators and Congresswoman using the GOA automailer. Every little bit helps.


[This message has been edited by Longshot (edited March 04, 2000).]
 
Michael Moore makes me violently ill. I grew up in Flint in the '50s, and still have relatives there. It was a _very_ rough city even 40-some years ago. Racial tensions were always high, crime was always high, and you learned to fight before you got to 1st grade.
Neither McCain nor Bush stopped there? You'd need an armored division to lock the city down first.

Wanna wager whether Moore went into this area without some kind of protection?

Dick
 
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