Please help identify this rifle

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frankgh

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The only marking I can find anywhere, including looking under the stock are the caliber markings in the photo. This came to me from my step-dad and was his father's. It accompanied a 1937 Remington Model 41.

Can anyone identify it? Thanks!
 

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#0000 steel wool with some oil is said to take the rust right off without harming the finish

fixed it! LOL
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Done absolutely right, on a gun which had quality bluing to begin with, it does well. Done too...vigorously, or on a gun that wasn't well blued to start with, and it can take off the bluing.

Try Naval Jelly
or just start with oil and cloth. a lot of surface rust will come off after oil soaking, and just rubbing with cleaning cloth (nothing abrasive).
 
Naval Jelly?

You realize just how damned aggressive that is, don't you?

It's phosphoric acid and some suphuric acid and it will quickly strip any remaining bluing, within minutes or even seconds.

Birchwood Casey Blue and Rust Remover is phosphoric acid with some sulphuric acid, and it's VERY effective at removing bluing.
 
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The bolt for my Remington 514 was more rusted than that. I sat and took the dremel tool to it for an hour with a moderate abrasives stone and just took careful even strokes with the grain of the metal. Got all the rust off and mot of the pits. Then I got 400 grit sandpaper and a cloth and polished with the sandpaper then put metal polish on with the cloth and polished it more.
 
#0000 steel wool with some oil is said to take the rust right off without harming the finish

fixed it! LOL

Done absolutely right, on a gun which had quality bluing to begin with, it does well. Done too...vigorously, or on a gun that wasn't well blued to start with, and it can take off the bluing.
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0000 steel wool and oil can damage bluing - if you're totally ham fisted. I once tried to damaged a scrap barrel and managed to get the bluing to fade slightly after 10 minutes of white knuckle rubbing. If you understand the meaning of "gentle rubbing" you won't have a problem.

Try Naval Jelly or just start with oil and cloth. a lot of surface rust will come off after oil soaking, and just rubbing with cleaning cloth (nothing abrasive).
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Naval jelly OTOH will remove all the bluing and in a hurry.
 
I've completely stripped the parking on a mosin nagant barrel with 0000 and oil and I don't exactly have the strongest lower arm strength. parking, is also generally much thicker and robust than your average bluing as well.
 
Naval jelly is for removing rust from battle ships. Bluing is rust. Naval Jelly will strip it to bare metal.
0000 steel wool and light oil will take the rust off with out bothering the bluing. There's no 'said' or 'said' involved. Mind you, a light touch with a fine, brass, wire wheel in a bench grinder is a lot faster.
Like tahunua001 says, the bolt is seriously bent. It isn't unusual for elderly .22's to be unmarked. Serial numbers were not required on 'em until your GCA of 1968 either.
"...the parking on a Mosin Nagant..." Those aren't parkerized.
 
I only came across one thing Naval Jelly would not hurt and that was Battleship paint!

Now, you may ask how I came to deal with a battleship.

It actually was a Totem Pole, seized in WWII from the Natives, Army took some and the Navy got some.

the one I had to work on nothing touched that paint, so it got re-painted battleship gray (latter day mix and not capable of stopping a 5 inch shell but that was no longer an issue.

On the other hand we recovered a rifle on a Cook Inlet beach from a guy who went over a cliff some years before, solid rust and the Naval Jelly ate it right out. I am not sure given a bit of time it won't eat steel.
 
I have taken several guns that looked like that and brought them back from the dead - at least to usable condition. Use 0000 steel wool and oil. Lots of rubbing. Then, several treatments with Oxpho Blue to add some protection back to the steel. Let the Oxpho Blue cure for a month or two in the gun safe and it will become more permanent.

It won't look like a new gun after that but it will make a dandy shooter.
 
I have an old wards shotgun that looks similar as far as the rust. I have been rubbing it down
with gun oil every few days for months. It is slowly improving. I was told this was safe for the existing finish. No expert here.
 
I don't know if there are different "grades" of Naval Jelly, the stuff I used said it was "Naval Jelly", and it did take the rust off a 1960s era Colt Government model, and didn't take off the bluing.

BUT, I didn't use very much, and only on the badly rusted spots (where the bluing was already gone).

SO, based on what others have said, I'd say use Naval Jelly VERY CAUTIOUSLY for guns.

Very fine #0000 steel wool and oil seems to be the best for rust that doesn't yield to less harsh methods.
 
Anybody else ever tried Nevr Dull?

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I've always had good luck at removing surface rust without hurting the bluing. Any auto parts store or Walmart should have it.
 
I would be wary to use neverdull. we used it to polish brass in the navy. it got rid of all the corrosion and such for stuff that hadn't been done in a while. one would assume it would do the same to bluing since it's just another form of rust.
 
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